Walt, I hope to and probably will set near 100 eggs. This gene pool is so small that I wonder what kind of variability is there for improvement. Overall, I think they have potential. I really like them. Size is a concern of mine. I also feel like I am in a corner.
I may have one last lead concerning someone else with these birds that could be a resource. Otherwise, I have found one person actually working with this breed. He is in California, and started with Ideal stock. Some time back Ideal got their start with this strain (from the same man), but they are not the same anymore. The breeder in California has been working with them for 5 years, so I am interested to see what progress has been made.
I say this in public, because I am still hoping to find that someone else. Lacy Blues gave me a lead that was not a dead end for once.
I was also hoping to find a couple people that would take some eggs, chicks, etc early on. In case something happens to mine. I have one person that I think something of. I am hoping to find at least one more. Someone that will actually put some effort into them. Someone that in a few years, I can get some eggs or chicks from. I would hate to think that I had the last 11 birds, of 11 eggs from Peru in the 80s. There are some people that will take some, but I want more than that.
I think that you are right concerning the black. It is that way with the NHs anyways. The color/pattern basics seam to be similar to the NHs. The Colombian is restricted, but it is there. The pullet in the picture is the least of them concerning color. It is told to me that I want that for good colored males, but that does not fit with my experience or understanding of this color pattern. I want to understand what that might mean. It runs contrary to my understanding of buff, or what I have seen with the NHs. Every time I think I am starting to know something, I learn something else.
Another question is how the color would be perceived by a judge. The Standard pictures are pretty light for a Catalana from Spain. They are not that light colored. I get the impression reading the written section that their tendencies was understood, but that an ideal was being established. I actually think the paintings are not that bad, but if I have to get all of the way there before they are perceived as pretty good . . . . Well, I would have a long ways to go.
I also want to contact Dale McNeill, the sponsor of these paintings. I would like to learn something about the man that the paintings are in memory of.
I apologize for the ramble.
gjensen, Here's a link to a page on the "Old and Rare Breeds" thread that tells the story of our newly acquired La Fleche. It doesn't seem necessary to repost the same long pasage here. The reason I bring it here, though, is because it sounds like you're in the same genetic conundrum in which I find myself, but there's something telling me that I can do this without bringing in other stock. Twice now I've outcrossed to other strains. Both times it was a pain in the neck. With our Anconas, which we outcrossed to hatchery stock, we've stabilized them and they are becoming regular winners. It's nice, but it took five years. Our Dorkings are still a bit all over the place. Their meat qualities are swell, and they're good layers of a nice egg, excellent broodies, etc... SOP point-scale-wise...mammamia! One day.
I mention this because it sounds that your blood is thin as is our La Fleche. All of our stock is derived from one shipment of chicks 37 years ago and wo knows what that genetic base is. Still, I have enough birds to begin a breeding program. It sounds that you do, too. If you could establish four or more clans, I think you risk being fine and being able to bring your Catalanas forward. You'll always be able to turn to Ideal or, probably better, Sand Hill for stock if you start actually seeing difficult in-breeding signs.
That's where I'm at. I realize that I'm afraid of the possibility for in-breeding depression, but I havn't actually seen anything to make me panic. If you're in the same boat, maybe it's worth a few seasons of working with them before bringing in something that might not nick. We could compare notes and belly-aching.
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