Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[Pathfinders]

This is for Bob, a composite I created from two articles in the 1912 American Poultry Advocate, describing and showing the differences between Buckeyes and RIRs of the day. Thanks go out to my friend Marci for finding this for us.

 

[neopolitancrazy]

Does any one know what the price range for started birds would be from a good breeder. Seems like, I have seen $60 for a trio quoted on a thread before, but that seems a little low. Unless they meant $60 per bird. I hope that is not what they meant!  Any help, even if it is guesstimates would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark

I have reserved a trio of Dorkings from Mr. Urch for $100, plus shipping ($150)

 

[capayvalleychick]

I have reserved a trio of Dorkings from Mr. Urch for $100, plus shipping ($150)

I'd love to see photos, when you get them!

 

[lualshannon]

They found during invitro studies at Perdue that Mother Nature tries for genetic diversity. The result is that Ova become immune after a particular genetic combination is produced. To break the immunity you have to breed out once. Then you can breed back, and have a good chance of producing what the first breeding produced.

As an example...Man O'War's dam Mahubah was never bred to any stallion but Fair Play, MOW's sire. She never produced another MOW., or anything close . Hildene, a top producing mare, was bred back and forth between studs, and produced multiple stakes winners.The best "nick" being with Princequillld Mr.Chenery ,her owner, who also bred Secretariat, knew a thing or two.

Dragonlady,

I practice breeding out with the dogs. Years ago, I had a wonderful litter from Champion parents, and made the mistake of not keeping any of the puppies since I was planning to repeat the same breeding; which I did, and the second litter did not look anything like the first one. A year later, repeated the breeding again with the same disappointing results.

After I started to purchase dogs from Nigel, he explained to me the importance of breeding out, and then bringing the dam back to the original sire. Yes! it worked for me, and her 3rd. litter was as good quality as the 1st. Nigel himself practiced the breeding out. I know dogs are different species, but, from what I understand, certain rules apply to many beings. My friend who owns a cattle ranch, breeds out after the first mating but, does not repeat it again.

 

[Myrth]

This is totally off topic (well, almost totally), but I wanted to share a new 3rd generation rodenticide I found recently that is specifically created to reduce the risk of secondary poisoning, which can be a huge problem with dogs, cats, and various predator birds. I know not everyone is fond of hawks and owls, but I am a birder as well as a breeder of poultry, and I wrote an article a while back for Backyard Poultry Mag about the nastiness of the second generation rodenticides, after one of our dogs got into a bait and almost died. 
 
So when i found this, I was pretty excited to read about it, and I ordered a pail which came yesterday. Set it up in the main layer coop and a couple of other spots, we'll see how it works. It's called Terad 3, and it also poses a low toxicity to birds, so in theory it won't be an issue for chickens either. Here's the website I got it from:
 
http://www.domyownpestcontrol.com/terad3-blox-p-1283.html


I'll check back in in about a month and let you know how it's working. (Note, I have no connection to the company that makes it or the website that sells it, I'm just looking forward to using something that will kill mice but not my barn cats.)

Thanks for sharing this. I don't want to poison my chickens or dogs in order to keep mice under control.

 

[Yellow House Farm]

Jeff

I double-mated last yr to clean up color a bit. Probably will not this year. I think from what I read you can single mate, with an occasional double mating to clean up color as need be

Jeff, are you going to go to the Ohio National? If so, you want to meet Brian Knox. He is an APA/ABA jusge and excellent breeder of Light Brahmas. It would probably be an excellent opportunity to talk Columbian color pattern.

 

[Robert Blosl]

Thanks Laura what a great comparison of the two breeds. It sure is nice to see the flat top lines on the Red females. Wish my bantam friends of Reds could figure out what a real R I Red is suppose to look like like our Large Fowl breeders.

For you who want a breed that is in need of help and want a good dual purpose all around breed Buckeyes are great birds to own and you can get some great ones from many Buckeye Specialist who are promoting this grand old breed. I have told you all before if you have a breed that is run down you can breed this breed up just like the Buckeye Folks did ten years ago. If they can do it you can do it. Just follow their plan and their methods on how they accomplished their goals in ten short years. Thanks again Laura. bob

This is for Bob, a composite I created from two articles in the 1912 American Poultry Advocate, describing and showing the differences between Buckeyes and RIRs of the day. Thanks go out to my friend Marci for finding this for us.

 

[thedragonlady]

Dragonlady,

I practice breeding out with the dogs. Years ago, I had a wonderful litter from Champion parents, and made the mistake of not keeping any of the puppies since I was planning to repeat the same breeding; which I did, and the second litter did not look anything like the first one. A year later, repeated the breeding again with the same disappointing results.

After I started to purchase dogs from Nigel, he explained to me the importance of breeding out, and then bringing the dam back to the original sire. Yes! it worked for me, and her 3rd. litter was as good quality as the 1st. Nigel himself practiced the breeding out. I know dogs are different species, but, from what I understand, certain rules apply to many beings. My friend who owns a cattle ranch, breeds out after the first mating but, does not repeat it again.

They were amazed at Perdue when they saw the ova walling off , and rejecting the sperm, so they started doing DNA on both sperm and egg, as well as the first born lamb that was so good. Sure enough those rejected sperm had the same DNA as the lamb's sire.This study was done over 30 years ago, so doubtless Nigel read it too !

 

[Canieldonrad]

For you who want a breed that is in need of help and want a good dual purpose all around breed Buckeyes are great birds to own and you can get some great ones from many Buckeye Specialist who are promoting this grand old breed. I have told you all before if you have a breed that is run down you can breed this breed up just like the Buckeye Folks did ten years ago. If they can do it you can do it. Just follow their plan and their methods on how they accomplished their goals in ten short years. Thanks again Laura. bob

I'm really excited to see where Lakenvelders end up in a few years. If Laura can do as much work with Lakenvelders as she did with Buckeyes, they will definitely fair far better than they do currently.

 

[catdaddyfro]

Jeff, are you going to go to the Ohio National? If so, you want to meet Brian Knox. He is an APA/ABA jusge and excellent breeder of Light Brahmas. It would probably be an excellent opportunity to talk Columbian color pattern.

No I can't make those journey's way off like that yet. Those may come some day when I get old I have too much to do here to "up an runnoft" for an enjoyable weekend as that LOL I'm just dabbling a bit in the Columbians at the moment not real deeply into them "yet" Just started off getting them for a side project I wanted to try but when I got them as usual with most breeds I grab onto I started getting more interested (got bit by a bug) in them even more so than I was thinking I might. I've always enjoyed the pics of Scott's when he posted them but once I saw them LIVE (hands on)it was an all new ballgame from then on. LOL Oh boy more to do LOL

Jeff