Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[Chris09]

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What about Malay, Phoenix, Aseels, Ameraucanas, and Welsummers just to name a few.

Chris

 

[NYREDS]

I just decided the only APA LF breed that shouldn't be called heritage is the Naked Neck.

Since they weren't admitted until 1965 I'm curious as to how you arrived at this conclusion?​

 

[HaikuHeritageFarm]

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Since they weren't admitted until 1965 I'm curious as to how you arrived at this conclusion?

Well, that recent date for one and other than that just because I find them to be a bizarre and, well, (yes, I will say it,) godaweful ugly little critter! If only the joking tone came out through the computer! I'm sure there are other breeds that wouldn't meet even my generous criteria.

Now, more seriously, considering the Orloff was one of the first breeds admitted into the APA SOP in 1875, and there are records of it being in America far prior to that, even BEFORE it was known in most parts of Western Europe, how could one NOT call it a heritage breed?

That's the kind of thing I'm talking about when I mention things like keeping the spirit of the term in mind instead of adhering to strict guidelines and criteria.

 

[Chris09]

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When the Orloff were admitted into the APA's Standard of Perfection were they put in as Orloff or Russians... Because from what I have read there is a difference between the Orloff and the Russians and I believe that it was the Russians that was admitted into the ASoP.

Well since there not in the American Standard (today) it would be hard to call them a Heritage Breed.
Even ALBC states that have to be a APA Standard Breed.

1. APA Standard Breed. Heritage Chicken must be from parent and grandparent stock of breeds recognized by the American Poultry Association (APA) prior to the mid-20th century; whose genetic line can be traced back multiple generations; and with traits that meet the APA Standard of Perfection guidelines for the breed. Heritage Chicken must be produced and sired by an APA Standard breed. Heritage eggs must be laid by an APA Standard breed.

I under stand that they are old and they were in the standard and I have nothing agents them but if you go by ALBC guide lines there not a Heritage Breed.
That is one of the reasons I dislike the guide lines ALBC has but since there the only organization that has a Heritage Breed guide line it is the only thing to go by

Chris​

 

[Chris09]

AnarchyintheAK,
There are a lot of breeds that are old but not considered a Heritage Fowl for one reason or another;
Look at all the American, English, Filipino, Japanese, Orientals, and Spanish Gamesfowl that are old breeds (some of which were on the Mayflower)


Chris

 

[tnchickenut]

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Wow. What a great learning post... Two pictures with a couple sentances and BAM! The chicken gospel hits you right upside the head! lol

Pretty girl. Look at those bars.

Kathy - took your lead. I wrote Jeremy and am "hooked up" for eggs. Gonna get me some dem purdy barred rocks.

Can't wait for that!


EDA: Anarchy.... I'm going to pretend you didn't insult the naked necks so we can continue to be civil. lol. The poor things can't help it! Now, silkies... uck!

 

[Jared77]

With the push for homegrown foods, what is the APA doing to help the potential backyard hobbyist? Are the clubs reaching out to publications like "Mother Earth News" and some of these other publications to help spread the word about the value of a quality bred Heritage bird?

While the titles are great the clubs need to take the bull by the horns and get the word out about the quality birds and the benefits of them. Just something else to throw out there while the discussion is rolling.

 

[HaikuHeritageFarm]

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When the Orloff were admitted into the APA's Standard of Perfection were they put in as Orloff, Russian's or Russian Orloff... Because from what I have read there is a difference between the Orloff and the Russian's /Russian Orloff.

Well since there not in the American Standard (today) it would be hard to call them a Heritage Breed.
Even ALBC states that have to be a APA Standard Breed.

1. APA Standard Breed. Heritage Chicken must be from parent and grandparent stock of breeds recognized by the American Poultry Association (APA) prior to the mid-20th century; whose genetic line can be traced back multiple generations; and with traits that meet the APA Standard of Perfection guidelines for the breed. Heritage Chicken must be produced and sired by an APA Standard breed. Heritage eggs must be laid by an APA Standard breed.

I under stand that they are old and they were in the standard and I have nothing agents them but if you go by ALBC guide lines there not a Heritage Breed.
That is one of the reasons I dislike the guide lines ALBC has but since there the only organization that has a Heritage Breed guide line it is the only thing to go by

Chris​

Well, the ALBC does list the Orloff as a Heritage breed. When you look at the guidelines, they have a list of criteria non-APA breeds can meet to qualify. I guess the Orloff meets those requirements.

Seems a shame a breed should lose "Heritage" status because it becomes too rare, doesn't it? Isn't one of the points of these list to work towards conserving those rare breeds, even, perhaps especially, if they were too rare to maintain APA status?

 

[tnchickenut]

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I have thought simular things... like why are there hatchery ads in "Poultry Press"!?!?! Aren't "Poultry Press" readers into showing? Aren't people into showing into chickens or poultry in general? And then, aren't people into poultry aware of all the major hatcheries? So wouldn't that be a waste of ad money?

In Mother Earth there are ads for hatcheries too (if I'm not getting my magazines confused... I read alot of them)... and I agree... a ad for APA or ALBC even would benifit the organizations and the birds if they grabbed up new comers right away. Not all of us were exposed to 4H... I know I BEGGED my mother to do the chicken program, but we lived in the city on 1/4 acre... lol. She was probrably right but I think now, "How much further along could I be now, if I got to start up young(er (lol))?"

 

[Chris09]

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When the Orloff were admitted into the APA's Standard of Perfection were they put in as Orloff, Russian's or Russian Orloff... Because from what I have read there is a difference between the Orloff and the Russian's /Russian Orloff.

Well since there not in the American Standard (today) it would be hard to call them a Heritage Breed.
Even ALBC states that have to be a APA Standard Breed.

1. APA Standard Breed. Heritage Chicken must be from parent and grandparent stock of breeds recognized by the American Poultry Association (APA) prior to the mid-20th century; whose genetic line can be traced back multiple generations; and with traits that meet the APA Standard of Perfection guidelines for the breed. Heritage Chicken must be produced and sired by an APA Standard breed. Heritage eggs must be laid by an APA Standard breed.

I under stand that they are old and they were in the standard and I have nothing agents them but if you go by ALBC guide lines there not a Heritage Breed.
That is one of the reasons I dislike the guide lines ALBC has but since there the only organization that has a Heritage Breed guide line it is the only thing to go by

Chris​

Well, the ALBC does list the Orloff as a Heritage breed. When you look at the guidelines, they have a list of criteria non-APA breeds can meet to qualify. I guess the Orloff meets those requirements.

Seems a shame a breed should lose "Heritage" status because it becomes too rare, doesn't it? Isn't one of the points of these list to work towards conserving those rare breeds, even, perhaps especially, if they were too rare to maintain APA status?

When the Orloff were admitted into the APA's Standard of Perfection were they put in as Orloff or Russians... Because from what I have read there is a difference between the Orloff and the Russians and I believe that it was the Russians that was admitted into the ASoP.

Well, the ALBC does list the Orloff as a Heritage breed. When you look at the guidelines, they have a list of criteria non-APA breeds can meet to qualify. I guess the Orloff meets those requirements.

Could you post a link to the page you are talking about? That would help a lot..
Thanks,

Chris​