Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[mississippifarmboy]

So the shanks should be dark lead? I don't know where I got yellow. I don't really know any way to get dark lead color shanks out of either strain I've got. Any ideas?
What strain have you got? Just curious.

 

[Chris09]

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To get the Lead Leg color you would almost have to breed it back into them.
I have know Idea what line I have..

I called a Poultry judge I know and told him I was looking for Orloffs and he sent the rooster over about 4 months ago and then the pullet about a month ago.
He did say the leg color were off and that I would have to work on that, but I am OK with that.

Chris

 

[mississippifarmboy]

Do you think they will ever put them back in the standard? I love the Orloffs, but hard to breed to a hundred year old standard when I think most people now would argue that they have great birds because there isn't a current standard.
And another question.... I've been reading that standard you posted, trying to see what I need to check on mine and just caught that it is for a black bird. Would the leg color be different on spangled or mahogany birds?
When you get tired of all the questions, just ignore me. I'm married, I'm used to it.

 

[Chris09]

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Do you think they will ever put them back in the standard?

I would like to see them back in the Standard again but I don't think they will.

Would the leg color be different on spangled or mahogany birds?

I think so. I believe the leg color on a Spangled and Mahogany should be Yellow with a line of Red pigment down the outside of the leg. Now when I said that I had to work on leg color I should have explained myself better.
The legs on my bird are a off Yellow [like a dirty Yellow] color and not a true Rich Yellow and I should have said that the Standard was for a Black "Russian" Orloff. Sorry about that.

Chris​

 

[mississippifarmboy]

Thanks Chris. I'll try and get pictures of some of mine tomorrow and post them. Maybe you can take a look then and let me know what you think.

 

[saladin]

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chickie,

The Cubalaya originated in Cuba (with some slight help from Florida). Though not in the American class (they are in the AOSB); Cuba being part of North America that would technically make them an American Heritage breed.

 

[cubalaya]

chickie, if any oriental breed should be classed american, it is the cubalaya.

chris, if they can change the standard for other birds, why not russian orloffs. more entry fees for apa.

 

[saladin]

cubalaya,

Typically fowl that originated from games are not included in a country/region class: hence, Moderns and Old English are in the AOSB class and not the English class. I believe that was the reason for not including the Cubalaya in the American Class.



As to the APA and the Russian (Orloff: I think it was just called Russian in the old Standard), I think the APA should do as the ABA does and not eliminate breeds but instead simply make the Inactive. Thus, they could still recieve APA awards.

For example, the bantam Asil is an Inactive ABA breed. I show them and still recieve ABA awards, but they are not listed in the current Bantam Standard other than by name. I had to call the office to get the description sent to me: which isn't a problem.

Seems like a simple solution to me.

 

[cubalaya]

saladin, i understand that but they aren't game and they really are an american heritage breed, being accepted into the apa in 1939. at this point in time are there more cubalaya here or in cuba?

 

[Chris09]

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Correct,
It was interred as a Russian.
Here is a Quote from another sight.,

"This is a bearded, muffed, walnut combed breed. . . . In the West the Orloff has been generally considered to be a Russian breed, although some modern poultry writers have concluded that they might be a German creation. Both suppositions are probably wrong. As with the naked neck and many other breeds, Germany was the land of the Orloff's, "perfection"----not the land of its origin. And while Russia made the breed known to Western Europe and America, Persia (Iran) was the probable site of its development. However, at one time it was wide spread in Central Asia and as recently as the early eighties I saw fowl of this type while watching footage on the war in Afghanistan. The earliest mention of this breed that I know of was published in 1774. The description was obviously that of the Orloff, but at the time the breed was called Chlianskaia, which was probably a corruption of or based on Ghilan, the Persian province where the breed was most common. Its present name is probably taken from Count Orloff-Techesmensky, at one time a well-known Russian horse breeder and livestock enthusiast. This despite the fact that Orloffs were well established in Russia before his time."

Chris