Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[Chickielady]

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There are two reasons a Heritage breed lost popularity, 1) Is that Hatcheries pumped out millions upon millions of "modern Day" breeds that 2) Grow faster, plump faster, lay bigger, more eggs...and are in fact often genetically engeneered.
All breeds are genetically engineered
And given the spoiled people here in this country, they went for these birds, because they cared little of the bird or breed or it's beauty, they just care about food. People can mess up good lines of heritage fowl by breeding for "prettyness"
Most people here in this country have no idea what a chicken is other than what they see at McDonald's or Kentucky fried chicken fast food places.
They do not know a healthy egg from a battery farm raised egg. This is arguable
They have never heard a rooster, or had the delight to sit and watch these wonderful animals, one of the very first animals domesticated by humans, and has served us all for millenium.
These folks do not know what flour is, or that regular flour is made from wheat just like whole wheat flour is made from wheat.
It really should be something our kids need to take in school:
a class about where are food comes from and exactly what is it we are putting in our mouths ?
That would be a fantastic class.
Thank goodness for 4-H and FFA, at least there are still some kids growing up in this country that know what wheat, corn, whole grains and weaners are.

No they are not weiners !
And by the way, Javas are fantastic !

OK enough ranting about my opinions, later~~


You got the "prettiness" correct !
Also "Cuteness" which has screwed up alot of dogs, cats, fish and fowl to the point where they can hardly breath, eat or swim.
"Cute" only exists in human's minds, no other animals ,bird or fish cares for "cuteness"

 

[fowlman01]

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I raise them.....he is an outstanding bird.

Walt

 

[fowlman01]

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Thanks Chris, this is how misinformation gets started.

Walt

Walt,
Did I miss-wright something or giving misinformation? I didn't think that the APA have anything to do with the ALBC's definition of a, "Heritage" fowl.

Chris

You are correct, the APA has not made any statement or rules about what makes a chicken a heritage chicken. I think the ALBC came up with that because the APA posts the date a breed is admitted. That way they could use a cutoff date. The problem with that is there are heritage breeds that are not in the SOP. It seems as if there was no interest in getting them into the SOP. Contrary to what one poster said, the APA does not get money for entries. The club putting the show on receives the money. I was not aware of the Orloff situation. Didn't know they were in the SOP before, so I will find out what happened.

Walt

 

[saladin]

I too am proud to be a member of the APA and ABA; I'm also well aware of the distinguished history of the APA. I also was aware that the APA had made no such statement as to the definition of 'Heritage.' Finally, I was fully aware that originated with the ALBC.

If anyone took the time to read my post I refered to punky's webpage here on the BYC: which is where punky gave the definition of Heritage.

 

[saladin]

As to the Cubalaya: If you'll take the time to read Don Carlos Cabella's article that I have posted on numerous sites and published in numberous papers, you will discover there were several different fowl that went into the makeup of the Cubalaya: including Old English and Spanish Game as well as various Oriental fowl.

The poster cubalaya felt they were an American Heritage breed: Rightly so!

In 1939 when they were admitted to the American Standard of Perfection, it was the Cubans themselves that sought this recognition because they were at that time in close relations to the USA. They were not placed in the American class but with the Malays and Sumatras which were the ONLY Orientals in the Standard at the time because of the origin of the main breeds utilized in their creation, as I understand it.

However, the Chantecler is in the American class because the class refers to the North American Landmass; just as there are Continentals for Europe and the English class for the British Isles. If the Chantecler, though created in Canada, is an American Heritage Breed, then many of us feel the Cubalaya is as well.

Further, the second oldest American breed, the Java, which I've bred and raised for more than a decade now, is from the Island of Java. It is considered an American breed because here it was bred and selected to be the dual purpose breed it has become. However, its' ancestors are also from the Far East: just like the Cubalaya.

 

[saladin]

Chris,
I'm in complete agreement with you, but I'll go one further. IMO, the American Game is the FIRST heritage breed of the United States.

 

[punky rooster]

they are a cuban breed. not a american breed

is an island country in the Caribbean

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba
IMO they are small like other Orientals and deserve to be in that category. I don't deny them a heritage breed but I think meatier and better egg layers are more fit for that title
they are very nice looking birds​

 

[Chickielady]

I think one idea is about land mass and the other idea is about where the bird actually originated, what peoples can actually claim that this is their bird and theirs alone ?
It's birthplace, what people created this breed ?
True, with some breeds, they were not created by humans, but existed in the first place, like Jungle Fowl for example.
But like I said before, if you look, each breed is a heritage breed !
And I am glad I do not have your feed bill Saladin!!
**all in all, it is up to us all to do the best we can by breeding the preferred birds to the standard of perfection set forth by the people who designed and bred this bird in the first place, wether or not it is in the APA.
Alot of birds are not in the APA and so there has been nothing set forth as to standard...and those may suffer bad breeding because of that, like I believe Illia has mentioned may happen to the Russian Orloff.
Alot of bad breeding damage can happen in a short amount of time during which the breed is being studied for acceptance into the APA....sad.

 

[Chickielady]

http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/SPPA/Needed.html

Since I have read Punkyrooster's list I agree with him in word for word that list came from ALBC, and SPPA.
Maybe the above link will help...

 

[saladin]

punky,
We are just going to have to disagree on this one. Yes, they are from Cuban: which I consider part of 'America.' We could argue until all the Cubans leave Miami!! lol.

Perhaps I'll write my Backyard Poultry article this time (it is due like yesterday) on a call for cooperation between the main organizations: APA, ABA, SPPA and ALBC to produce standard definitions that we can all live with.

chickie, I'll also call for a faster tract to recognition in the APA Standard of Perfection for existing breeds within the US and Canada. I also believe there should be an easier way for acceptance into the APA Standard if it already in the Bantam Std.

Personally, I believe the Standard needs to be re-vamped as to classes. IMO, the AOSB class is a mess and that is where I do all my exhibiting.