Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[fowlman01]

What about the wings on that Orp???Good wings are a lot more important to a chicken's longevity than some extra fluff. B'rer Fox loves birds with bad wings.

Yup, they are down, but the Orps weren't finished yet..they still had some tuning up to do. As a matter of fact they did fix it for many years and now I am seeing it in shows. Mostly females that can't keep their wings up. They are set right, but they can't keep them in place.

Walt

 

[plantcityhomestead]

Thanks for posting the link to the Orpington book. I have been distracted by it all day. I have learn so much. I was interested in the statement that there may be some colored Dorking in the mix of the Buffs. I am really tempted to breed one to my bad Orpingtons to see what I get in a couple of generations. I have access to good Dorkings. My current hatchery Orpingtons are small and have bad color, so they are just layers. Reading all this talk about genetics and breeding has given me the bug.

 

[aveca]

you guys will love those old william cook books , get nook or kindle free for PC or android and download them free at the site I posted Its on left hand side download to kindle..true treasures. go get them..I have a kindle full of them..





One of those old books said in no uncertian terms that for a long time the brits focused so hard on type they lost the size, this was earlier on, they actually imported american blk orps and buffs ? back to increase the size, the americans at that time were breeding smaller quality cockerals to huge strapping hens..great reading...that might be in the book the standard orpington.you can search cornell free library for old books on Orpingtons, show fowl or poultry , also rir buckeye a ton of old bird books at this site..

 

[Robert Blosl]

In the past two days i have been in English Class at work trying to clean up my vocabulary when I see chickens that turn me off when I go to thier house to look at them. I dont want to churt thier feelings with what my comments are. I think I just need to say they are so pretty and I wish I had some. I looked the word Mutant up I thought at first it was Mutts.

In biology and especially genetics, a mutant is an individual, organism, or new genetic character, arising or resulting from an instance of mutation, which is a base-pair sequence change within the DNA of a gene or chromosome of an organism resulting in the creation of a new character or trait not found in the wild type. The natural occurrence of genetic mutations is integral to the process of evolution. The study of mutants is an integral part of biology, by understanding the effect that a mutation in a gene has, it is possible to establish the normal function of that gene.[2] In some organisms mutants can be created by gene targeting to assess the function of any given gene. This experimental approach is called reverse genetics[3]. so

Maybe that is why.some of the chickens my neighbors buy look funny to me reverse mutants from the original breed. They sure have some funny looking chickens but they love them and thats what counts.

Great posts.

 

[aveca]

Thanks for posting the link to the Orpington book. I have been distracted by it all day. I have learn so much. I was interested in the statement that there may be some colored Dorking in the mix of the Buffs. I am really tempted to breed one to my bad Orpingtons to see what I get in a couple of generations. I have access to good Dorkings. My current hatchery Orpingtons are small and have bad color, so they are just layers. Reading all this talk about genetics and breeding has given me the bug.

the nice thing is , it is written by the creator of orpingtons so you know what he was doing and why.....yes dorking was added especially to white orp..they were expected to be little less heavily feathered but they slowly worked type back in..so interesting..like i said, true treasures to modern folk who lost the art of breeding poultry..if only a hand ful of people know..then no one knows..breeds become lost to time like the sad story walt posted about true hudan? (sp) and what they were supposed to look like..if only a few or only 1 person hold them too tight and dont get them around..they wind up in the dust bin of time..pay you know what to ever get any back..sometimes its a case of that person wants to dominate the breed wins, sometimes its lack of promotion, could be any number of things.it was either cook or henrey actually had a terrible time even giving the whites away...no one wanted them..at all..but henrey and cook were also bally hoo men who saw a hundred years down the road..nothing they did was for selfish gain..the heavily promoted , then sold offspring......lucky us.

 

[aveca]

i also found it interesting that vicki said earlier that dropped wing was a muscle weakness, i cant remember what page but either henrey or cooks book said same thing, that it was just that..be it heridity or lack of moving room. it is a severe muscle weakness..they did everything to eradicate it that they could....but you know how things go..somone will get some culls and not try to work it out..but instead, keep propogating it..

 

[aveca]

interesting thought..these chickens get to be like kids to people, insult their chickens is like insulting tneir kids which insults their intelligence and choices...i always think of it that way..back in the olden days we called it..dont hurt peoples feelings,..some people it bounces right off them..last year my blk orp babies went through that terrible phase..my neighbor said they looked like turkey vultures...well they did for a while . i also try to measure my words..my other neighbor has some god awful looking chickens..i figure less said the better..they are always showing off to me how they spoil them and feed them bread..they ask if i do that..i say sure.quite often.
i
did learn something valuable on year about the mutts..we had a flock of dominiques..often inbred show flocks are more prone to disease like mereks, wry neck ect..our whole flock of dominiques ca me down with mereks , had to be destroyed..the only birds left wandering the farm were 2 mutts and a couple australorps..you know i learned that day that the diverse gene pool that those mutts had must have somehow protected them from this ravaging disease..bio diversity i guess.

your sure right..all that matters is that they love them..

and especially genetics, a mutant is an individual, organism, or new genetic character, arising or resulting from an instance of mutation, which is a base-pair sequence change within the DNA of a gene or chromosome of an organism resulting in the creation of a new character or trait not found in the wild type. The natural occurrence of genetic mutations is integral to the process of evolution. The study of mutants is an integral part of biology, by understanding the effect that a mutation in a gene has, it is possible to establish the normal function of that gene.[2] In some organisms mutants can be created by gene targeting to assess the function of any given gene. This experimental approach is called reverse genetics[3]. so

Maybe that is why.some of the chickens my neighbors buy look funny to me reverse mutants from the original breed. They sure have some funny looking chickens but they love them and thats what counts.

Great posts.

 

[3riverschick]

if only a few or only 1 person hold them too tight and dont get them around..they wind up in the dust bin of time..pay you know what to ever get any back..
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Hi,
It's like this in Golden Salmon Marans. Three high quality closed flocks in the US. I tried for years to get any one of them to trust me with birds.
Loved that wildtype. No go, just a constant off-put. It got rediculous. So I left. Too bad too, I was willing to devote 20 year to the variety. Oh well.
Now it's to the point they don't even know what color they are breeding. Keep calling them Red Duckwing, Gold Duckwing, Golden Duckwing.
Karen

 

[MagicChicken]

OK, that "Fowls for the Times" book on Orpingtons requires some study. Interesting stuff. On page 27 it mentions a black-skinned and black-boned breed of poultry kept in the interior of South America. Does anyone have any idea what that breed might have been?

 

[aveca]

OK, that "Fowls for the Times" book on Orpingtons requires some study. Interesting stuff. On page 27 it mentions a black-skinned and black-boned breed of poultry kept in the interior of South America. Does anyone have any idea what that breed might have been?

thats interesting..there is probably another book in that library that might tell more about that..not sure what string of search words to use..south american fowl? i found tons of books even commercial egg hatching just by playing with search terms.