Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[aveca]

that o shamo looks like he walked out of the jurrassic doesnt he? he is problably one of the nicest i have ever seen..great feather condition, most time i see them , they are so straggley..he is a fine fine bird..

about the hock thing, you kind of popped that one at me one day kind of thought you were assuming that wasnt going on here..people assume alot about me..i have birds i dont talk about or show in here or anywhere so its funny to me when people assume they know what i have going on by a couple of pics..it was in regards to the english birds..i am very impressed with the imports, the body type is so fantastic, wrong to sop? in some aspects but the promise is there for good things..after reading william cooks book and the standard orpington, both men said there was already a trend toward breeding a longer back, but but they used strong words,this is not correct and not what william cook wanted for his birds........respect..........., there was only one master , he built this breed from scratch, promoted heavily lucky us..i will respect his ways over any..both also said if you loose that type, you will pay through the nose to get it back...might as well start over..thats how hard it is...

 

[fowlman01]

that o shamo looks like he walked out of the jurrassic doesnt he? he is problably one of the nicest i have ever seen..great feather condition, most time i see them , they are so straggley..he is a fine fine bird..

about the hock thing, you kind of popped that one at me one day kind of thought you were assuming that wasnt going on here..people assume alot about me..i have birds i dont talk about or show in here or anywhere so its funny to me when people assume they know what i have going on by a couple of pics..it was in regards to the english birds..i am very impressed with the imports, the body type is so fantastic, wrong to sop? in some aspects but the promise is there for good things..after reading william cooks book and the standard orpington, both men said there was already a trend toward breeding a longer back, but but they used strong words,this is not correct and not what william cook wanted for his birds........respect..........., there was only one master , he built this breed from scratch, promoted heavily lucky us..i will respect his ways over any..both also said if you loose that type, you will pay through the nose to get it back...might as well start over..thats how hard it is...

The Shamo is still young...a yearling. His dad is huge, but they are a bit harder to keep in good shape when they get older. Here is Jurrassic park.




Here is the big guy..his dad. The female in the picture is over 10 lbs if that gives you a sense of scale.



RE: the British Orps. Some of them look like Cochins....as you know. They don't fit the British Standard either. The only significant differences in our Orp Standards are that the Brits allow a little more looseness of feather and a smaller head. The APA SOP says that the hock must be visible....not two inches from the ground or any of the other nonsense you read here about how low the feathers/fluff can be. Many of the birds being posted have leg fluff to the ground. You have seen this here and in England.

Walt

 

[aveca]

isnt he wonderful!!! they are a big bird too..i have seen them at shows..they almost do not look real. that is a nice set up for them.. i had to stop and ponder for a while the first time a saw one..he was sort of laying down.. resting from the show bustle.thought what on earth is that! yet somehow i really found him interesting and almost pitiful the way he was trying to rest didnt look comfortable, like all he could do was squat.but i liked him..

i know what you mean, there are a lot of people in england complaining about going too far with cochin..its loosing type in the opposte direction..i have not seen that show up here the imports so far anyway seem more like the classics.....my nephew sent me english judging handbook pages a while ago. they dont havegood things to say about too much cochin type, it was supposed to be points deducted .....deduct points also for plymoth rock type breast ect..wyandotte type incorrect, ect....it was interesting..i might stilll have it in archive mail. î will post it for you..it kind of was scolding this trending yet its being rewarded today in show ring..but look at some of ours...wing pointed to the ground like a bantam, lot of them look like a brown australorp.wrong neck - back configuration...i figure somewhere inbetween the 2 lies the truth , i see some things need to be corrected in the english, something in the americans.

and vickie is right, they are delicate little flowers those imports..not for the hands off type..they can get infections and things that ol american strains throw off..over all nice and hardy , but you have to keep an eyeball on them..these arabian nights heat waves would fell any englishman..including this english woman...english birds too.fair haired and fair skinned..

 

[Lacy Blues]

just bringing this thread back to the top of my list so I don't have to look for it since I can't delete all the old stuff

 

[ashandvine]

So... no word on Orloffs. Is this a thread for just a few old bird breeds?

 

[Lacy Blues]

So... no word on Orloffs. Is this a thread for just a few old bird breeds?

Absolutely not.

I think I've seen one orloff at a show. But then I have only been heavily involved in chickens for about 8 years and haven't been able to attend all that many shows. I know of a girl who used to breed Langshans but I'm not sure if she still does. I can find out if you're really interested. I haven't said anything because I just don't know about the Orloffs. Sorry. Don't give up and don't assume nobody cares. I'm sure someone knows something. Maybe you could start a new thread on the "Breeds, Genetics & Showing" page instead of the Heritage Large Fowl page? That would probably put your question in front of more people.

 

[aveca]

would love to see some orloffs..isnt it sad that you just dont see many if any around at shows or anywhere really..we are the noahs arc of these rare breeds..if they are mismanaged like some are and not promoted for their good merits , they will be lost to time..people sometimes get selfish and worried about a few wins rather than promotion especially to kids who have an interest, then the future looks pretty bleak..we are the seed bank for the future..ive seen certian breeds get so inbred that you almost have to start from scratch..

 

[Chris09]

would love to see some orloffs..isnt it sad that you just dont see many if any around at shows or anywhere really..we are the noahs arc of these rare breeds..if they are mismanaged like some are and not promoted for their good merits , they will be lost to time..people sometimes get selfish and worried about a few wins rather than promotion especially to kids who have an interest, then the future looks pretty bleak..we are the seed bank for the future..ive seen certian breeds get so inbred that you almost have to start from scratch..

If the breed was still in the APA standard I believe that you would see more of them at the shows.
The Orloff always was a very good bird even before Count Orloff/ Orlov got them but lately people are crossing all kinds of different breeds into them trying to "improve" the breed and IMHO doing more harm than good. It's getting hard for some people to get good stock that hasn't had 2 or 3 new breeds added.

Chris

 

[ashandvine]

If the breed was still in the APA standard I believe that you would see more of them at the shows.
The Orloff always was a very good bird even before Count Orloff/ Orlov got them but lately people are crossing all kinds of different breeds into them trying to "improve" the breed and IMHO doing more harm than good. It's getting hard for some people to get good stock that hasn't had 2 or 3 new breeds added.

Chris

They aren't in the APA because their number dropped so low. They are so critically few in the EU and US that is getting tough to find them at all. I am part of a grassroots group of breeders and keepers who are doing what we can to change all this. I come in here to talk about some breeds because I know that in here are folks who are dedicated and learned in ways that some of the new, younger folks or those accustomed to fads aren't. My avatar is a joke and I don't know if anyone gets. Put plainly, I come here to get information or means to getting information that might not be 'out there.'

I have three Orloffs and will have more this fall when a nice man who has had them for 10 years is actually transporting them to me. There are three keepers here in Maine, although one person only keeps hers as pets and doesn't breed. The other farm keeps just a few and I might get one of their cockerels. I just don't know. I would like to do more for the breed but the going is slow and Bob's advice to be patient is one of real worth. Of the three I have here only two are worthy of breeding, hence the influx. By taking his, I'm building my flock, and I am also making room for him to continue to breed.

There is some discussion-- usually started by me, as to how to get blacks. They really are so close to extinction its impossible to find them. I have thought heavily about crossing them back to the (creepy looking) Malay, which it is speculated they have in their lineage. I think this would improve their tall raptor bodies and if I was to breed the darkest Mahogany Orloffs I could find with as dark a Malay as I can find it might be a start... but this is where you enlighten me. I know of only two or three good keepers and breeders. Even some of the sanctuaries have birds with way too much white.

 

[ashandvine]

would love to see some orloffs..isnt it sad that you just dont see many if any around at shows or anywhere really..we are the noahs arc of these rare breeds..if they are mismanaged like some are and not promoted for their good merits , they will be lost to time..people sometimes get selfish and worried about a few wins rather than promotion especially to kids who have an interest, then the future looks pretty bleak..we are the seed bank for the future..ive seen certian breeds get so inbred that you almost have to start from scratch..

Just to add... if we are the noah's arc of birds I vote no to the Shamo... or at least won't sit next to it. Whao.