Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[Arielle]

As I remember in my feeds and feeding from college a few years ago, there is a limit because of that ( fishy taste to meat and eggs) and some animals can smell the fish odor and not eat the feed. Maybe someone knows the number for sure, 10-15% comes to mind. Fortunately , a little goes a long way as it is both very concentrated and a complete protein.

 

[hcammack]

If you're feeding a 17% layer you could switch to Flock raiser but I would just supplement with a protein pellet or even a floating fish pellet.
I use AquaMax, it's a 41% protein pellet that also has animal protein.

You could also use Catfish 32 it also has animal protein in it but it is a 32% protein feed.

Both feeds are a Extruded Pellet that looks like this.

Chris

Thank's Chris I will see if I have access to that somewhere around here.

 

[fowlman01]

Karen,

Cut and paste this and then send me an email. I can't use something posted online. I will then forward it to the rest of the SOP Committee and it will be clear that it is from you.

I will tell you up front that there has to be a more compeling reason to change a Standard color description that has been in place for 100 years. Whatever the reason for not breeding the black at that time....it is not a reason to change the color now. If the red color described in the SOP was impossible to obtain, we would look at it and probably make a change. The APA never makes changes to match another countries Standard and the other countries don't change their Standard to match the American breeds either. There are lots of these color differences in the Standards......even some between the ABA and APA, although most have been settled.

I don't make these decisions by myself and I will do some more research, but what I am seeing so far is not enough to make a change. If people are importing birds with black in the hackle..buyer beware. People are importing all kinds of breeds now and mixing them up. It's what 99% of the people on this site do. The APA is not the poultry police and I don't think it is a good reason to change the SOP. The real breeders will work with the existing description.

The French change their Standard all the time and that's why the Marans are in the condition they are now. As an example they have three kinds of Brown Red. The APA SOP should not be easy to change and generally it is not changed. Everyone likes it to describe the birds in their yard, to say the same thing as another countries Standard or because someone thinks it should be changed because of historical data. If it hasn't been questioned for 100 years I personally need a better reason to change it.

There is no illustration of the Red Sussex because no on is interested in sponsoring the two illustrations. The APA will pay for half, but it would still be around $600.00 for a person to have the illustration drawn.

Walt

 

[ashandvine]

There is no illustration of the Red Sussex because no on is interested in sponsoring the two illustrations. The APA will pay for half, but it would still be around $600.00 for a person to have the illustration drawn. Walt

Is that because you are contracted with a specific illustrator? I know artists who'd do it for less and even *I* went to art school for 6 years so someone in here and invested could create an image for less.

 

[fowlman01]

Is that because you are contracted with a specific illustrator? I know artists who'd do it for less and even *I* went to art school for 6 years so someone in here and invested could create an image for less.

Hey! we are open to looking at anyone's work, but this is more like technical illustration and has to be done with colored pencil to get the detail I want to see now. There are some bad illustrations in there and I don't want anymore. Lots of people have thought they could do it, but a lot of them want to do it in acrylics.....that is too loose for our purposes.
I have been involved with graphics for many many years and I have a critical eye. Have them contact me. We have no contracts with any artist at the moment and we do have illustrations that need to be done.

Walt

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

Actually, I know of an illustrator that is begging to be asked to do the SOP. He was the only vendor at the Arts Fest in State College, PA that offered ALL poultry paintings/prints in his shop.

May I PM you his information?

 

[Chris09]

Just curious if those fish feeds make the eggs and meat taste well...fishy?

Do you mean the Fish Meal in the feed tainting the eggs?
You can feed up to 15% of Fish Meal in there diet before the eggs start to pick up a off taste /smell, that would be like having 15 lbs Fish Meal in a 100 lbs of feed.

Chris

 

[fowlman01]

Actually, I know of an illustrator that is begging to be asked to do the SOP. He was the only vendor at the Arts Fest in State College, PA that offered ALL poultry paintings/prints in his shop.

May I PM you his information?

I will contact him.

Walt

 

[Chris09]

As I remember in my feeds and feeding from college a few years ago, there is a limit because of that ( fishy taste to meat and eggs) and some animals can smell the fish odor and not eat the feed. Maybe someone knows the number for sure, 10-15% comes to mind. Fortunately , a little goes a long way as it is both very concentrated and a complete protein.

Whats nice about Fish Meal in a poultry diet is that Fishmeal is an excellent source of protein for them since it contains adequate quantities of all the essential amino acids required by chickens, and is an especially good source of lysine and methionine.


Chris

 

[Arielle]

Quote: Personally, I am a fan of feeding animal protein to appropriate animals like chickens, dogs and cats. Chickens. are not herbivores despite the current Perdue ad. Of course if that is all that is available, they will do fine. I toss leftover bones to the chickens to pick clean. Recycling at it's best.

Meat sources are a complete protein, with all the essential amino acids.