Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[catdaddyfro]

C is a cock,H is hen,K is cockerel and P is pullets.

Thanks sgribble, that will surely get me along in my readings a lot better I'm sure LOL I couldn't ever get it to work out in Roman numerals LOL

Jeff

 

[Lacy Blues]

Searching Poultry Science journal content for Blue Andalusian (all words) in full text. (Abstracts available w/o subscription)
http://tinyurl.com/8fbnuxe

Further Study on the Plumage Pattern of the Blue Andalusian Breed
J. L. CAMPO andC. ALVAREZ
Poult Sci 1991 70:1-5; doi:10.3382/ps.0700001

Comparative Genetics of Blue Plumage in Poultry
R. George Jaap andT. T. Milby
Poult Sci 1944 23:3-8; doi:10.3382/ps.0230003

Feather Eumelanin Distribution Variations in Buff Orpington, New Hampshire
and Rhode Island Red Breeds of Fowl
Ralph G. Somes, Jr. andJ. Robert Smyth, Jr.
Poult Sci 1966 45:40-49; doi:10.3382/ps.0450040
(references "Lippincott (1918) in his studies with the Blue Andalusian, and their phenotype")

I believe all these articles need a subscription to Poultry Scence. Many colleges and Univesities carry the whole archive of this mag. Just a trip to their library can get one access. Use WorldCat to ID libraries with this mag: http://www.worldcat.org/
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3382978
Br Poult Sci. 1988 Mar;29(1):175-8.
Inheritance of the laced plumage pattern of the blue Andalusian bantam.
Carefoot WC.
" genotype of the laced plumage pattern of the Blue Andalusian is
E/E Bl/bl+ Co/Co (Ml-Pg)/(Ml-Pg)."

http://www.traveldoctoronline.net/i...f-the-blue-andalusian-bantam-MzM4Mjk3OA==.htm
download PDF for free at : http://flvrunner.com/d/pdfconverter.php
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USDA - The National Agricultural Library (NAL):
Title: Blue Andalusians--the state of the breed of today.
Author(s): Bowden, R.A.
Found In: Ark. Ark June 15, 1979. v. 6 (6)
p. 170-172.
This can be ordered via interlibrary loan from your local library. NAL does not loan to individuals.
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Everybody's poultry magazine - Volume 24 - Page 598books.google.com/books?id=lKFOAAAAYAAJ
Pennsylvania Poultry Federation, Pennsylvania Egg Marketing Association - 1919 -
24 hits on Blue Andalusian including articles on:
Breeding Problems of Andalusian ; Blue Andalusians; History of Blue Andalusians;
http://tinyurl.com/cma8cqb
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From 1915: Blue Andalusian Club of America. President, E. D. Bird, Greenwich, Conn.; secretary, H. L. Peck, Champaign, III. Organized 1913, members 125. Initiation fee $1.00. Annual dues $1.00. Catalog issued in April, price 25c to non-members. Offers ribbons at every show where two or more members compete, cups to states with 10 or more members.
(Perhaps checking these geographic locations will yield local news on BA.)
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http://tinyurl.com/cgr3s3c
Another USDA NAL selection:
902 Official book of the Blue Andalusian Club of America ( Blue Andalusian Club of America). Published: Hartland : Solitarian Press. Language: English. Place of Pub: Vermont. Frequency: Unknown. NAL Call No.: 47.9 B62.
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The journal of heredity - Volume 11 - Page 342 , 1920 -
http://tinyurl.com/8etexkg
"A Note on the Hereditary Behavior of a Normal Blue Andalusian Hen
Whose Feathers Changed to Snowy White"
WILLIAM A. LIPPINCOTT Kansas Agricultural Experiment Station, Manhattan, Kansas

Holy Smokes! You've given me some homework!

One of these years, I hope to be able to learn a little bit about genetics. Touched on it in high school, eye color and whatnot and that's the last time I even looked at it. I do have have a booklet about chicken genetics and its a beginner type book. I think the title is ABCs of chicken genetics. Has a chick on the cover. Got it for my kids' science class in homeschool but we haven't even opened it. Might that be a good place for me to start?

 

[3riverschick]

Carefoot WC.
" genotype of the laced plumage pattern of the Blue Andalusian is
E/E Bl/bl+ Co/Co (Ml-Pg)/(Ml-Pg)."
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Simply put, the Blue Andalusian is a bird built on 2 copies of the 'E' extended black gene. It carries 1 copy of the Bl (Blue) gene, plus 2 copies of the 'Co' (Columbian) gene. It must also possess 2 copies of a color factor which is a combination of the 'Ml' (Melantoic) and 'Pg' (Pattern) genes.
Best,
Karen

 

[Marengoite]

Holy Smokes! You've given me some homework!

One of these years, I hope to be able to learn a little bit about genetics. Touched on it in high school, eye color and whatnot and that's the last time I even looked at it. I do have have a booklet about chicken genetics and its a beginner type book. I think the title is ABCs of chicken genetics. Has a chick on the cover. Got it for my kids' science class in homeschool but we haven't even opened it. Might that be a good place for me to start?

Lacy Blues, I used to teach biology and I would use chicken combs for exercises in inheritance. Quit teaching in 1993 and just started with chickens this year. Had no idea I'd actually be using what I was teaching in school. Also explains why I wasn't surprised to get a SC pullet in the batch of Hamburgs I bought from the hatchery. Recessive happens.

Here are a couple resources on chicken colors if you want to research them:

http://www.chickencolours.com/pagina3.html

http://gbpoultry.com/E-Books.html

That should get you started. And it will make your brain hurt, but in a good way.

rick

 

[Narragansett]

dragonlady I wonder if you or anybody else for that matter could elaborate on the C,H,K,3P letter and numerals. I have just started reading up on stuff over on a showing site and I get really lost fast as I know didley squat about the show ring in the first place but I'm becoming more interested as I raise up more and more of these awesome heritage type birds. anyway I figured this was a good a time/place as any to ask.

Jeff

I find it to be more than a little ironic, and actually quite sad, that acronyms that have been in use for generations are all but unknown among today's book poor text-speakers, yet they constantly feel free to make up new ones of their own out of sheer laziness in typing out the words, for breeds and varieties which are not universally known by the abbreviations they choose. They don't get, and seemingly don't care that unless one is involved in a conversation from the start, seeing the entire context, the average person has no idea what the shortcuts they use actually mean. The practice is rampant here.

 

[Arielle]

Quote: When you have an interest like you do, you WILL learn the genetics. Give yourself time, and read as much as you can. You will get it. Refresh on the basics, read that booklet about chicken genetics and build from there. THere is a lifetime of learning ahead of you to keep you interested.

 

[thedragonlady]

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Ok.......... C= Cock, K=Cockerel, H= Hen, P= Pullet. Most fairs pay for a first place in a class. You win your Hen class in your variety, and get a check. Then that hen goes on to win Best of Variety. Another check. The same hen wins Best Of Breed. Another check. She then goes on to win her English Class. Another check. If she wins Show Champion, , she gets yet another larger check. There are also sometimes classes for trios, and displays ( C,H,K,,P, plus any 2 birds.) You can see why a string of 500-1000 birds can be a lucrative enterprise ! The amount of work involved in caring for that many birds on the circuit is stupendous, but it is only for a short time of 2 months or so. Those birds get a bit raggedy towards the end.Then most stringmen sell off all but a few of their birds so they won't have to winter them over. It all starts again the next year.Buying from a real stringman has gotten many people started with good birds.

 

[catdaddyfro]

Ok.......... C= Cock, K=Cockerel, H= Hen, P= Pullet.Most fairs pay for a first place in a class. You win your Hen class in your variety, and get a check. Then that hen goes on to win Best of Variety. Another check. The same hen wins Best Of Breed. Another check. She then goes on to win her English Class. Another check. If she wins Show Champion, , she gets yet another larger check. There are also sometimes classes for trios, and displays ( C,H,K,,P, plus any 2 birds.)You can see why a string of 500-1000 birds can be a lucrative enterprise ! The amount of work involved in caring for that many birds on the circuit is stupendous, but it is only for a short time of 2 months or so. Those birds get a bit raggedy towards the end.Then most stringmen sell off all but a few of their birds so they won't have to winter them over. It all starts again the next year.Buying from a real stringman has gotten many people started with good birds.

Ok thanks for that info there, good learning stuff I tell ya, I make it a point to try to learn something everyday keeps my mind young and mostly out of trouble

Jeff

 

[fowlman01]

Ok thanks for that info there, good learning stuff I tell ya, I make it a point to try to learn something everyday keeps my mind young and mostly out of trouble

Jeff

Stringmans Scrapbook is a wonderful book about stringmen.... if you can find it. Great pictures and info. It is remarkable to see what these guys did to get their birds to fairs.

Walt

 

[3riverschick]

I find it to be more than a little ironic, and actually quite sad, that acronyms that have been in use for generations are all but unknown among today's book poor text-speakers, yet they constantly feel free to make up new ones of their own out of sheer laziness in typing out the words, for breeds and varieties which are not universally known by the abbreviations they choose. They don't get, and seemingly don't care that unless one is involved in a conversation from the start, seeing the entire context, the average person has no idea what the shortcuts they use actually mean. The practice is rampant here.
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Yup, Narragansett,
It kinda makes me nuts.

Like when folk decide to call a variety by a name which fits the colors they see, but isn't correct genetics for the bird.

A classic example is the Golden Salmon Marans community. GSM are wild-type, i.e., BBR cock w/the salmon-breasted, stippled hen. Yet they call them Red Duckwing, Golden Duckwing. Yes, there could seem to be "red" (really salmon) in the hens breast but Red Duckwing is actually wildtype with Mh added

Or yes, GSM is a duckwing with the gold gene, but a Golden Duckwing carries the Silver gene

Even calling them Gold Duckwing is less than appropriate because, while it can be viewed as correct, it also can be viewed as incorrect depending on the connotation. How on earth can folk breed a fowl when they aren't using correct nomenclature to describe it?

Karen