Bob Blosl's Heritage Large Fowl Thread

[Robert Blosl]

look at 95 percent of the Reds on this thread. These are the correct color. Dark Dark Red. The R I Reds you get at the feed stores are not R I Reds they are commerical production ri reds. there is a difference.

The bantams are dark red. The large fowl are suppose to be dark red. Thats it in a nut shell. Only one color dark dark red like a bing cherry almost black.

I will post some pictures latter but when you are at a chicken show and some one says mister there is a black chicken on the floor. When the show secetary comes back as says O it was one of Bobs large fowl reds. I put him back into the cage. thats a compliment. The darker the better. bob

 

[Marengoite]

look at 95 percent of the Reds on this thread. These are the correct color. Dark Dark Red. The R I Reds you get at the feed stores are not R I Reds they are commerical production ri reds. there is a difference.

The bantams are dark red. The large fowl are suppose to be dark red. Thats it in a nut shell. Only one color dark dark red like a bing cherry almost black.

I will post some pictures latter but when you are at a chicken show and some one says mister there is a black chicken on the floor. When the show secetary comes back as says O it way wond of Bobs large fowl reds. I put him back into the cage. thats a compliment. The darker the better. bob

Thanks, Bob.

I was under the impression that RIRs were bright red. I appreciate you filling me in that they need to be dark. I guess what I heard was mostly from backyard folks and some chatter at the local county fair. I live in central Ohio and was planning on going to the Ohio National next month to look around and educate myself on the various breeds.

I have some Buckeyes right now and I know they are supposed to be very dark. I also have a couple Barred rock hens that look nothing like the pictures posted here. Birds that were purchased from the same place I got mine did well at the county fair, but I think that was in pullet class and not fancy poultry. Clearly I have a lot to learn about what makes a "good" chicken. And yes, I also have some Silver Spangled Hamburgs that I bought for my son from Meyers hatchery. They're spunky looking birds, but other than a crooked tail and no smut, I'm not sure what differentiates a good one from a not so good one. Hoping to find out at the ON this year. Will you or any of the folks here be there?

rick

 

[catdaddyfro]

Heres a whole thread of the color that real RIRs are to look

just in case you haven't seen it as sometimes they will get 2 or 3 pages back and get stuck for a few days so some that are new miss them

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/407294/the-heritage-rhode-island-red-site

just helping out,here

Jeff

 

[3riverschick]

Here are the genotypes for the 4 shades of Black-Tailed Red, the "Family" of Red in which the RIR resides.
From Van Dort and Hancox, "Genetics Of Chicken Colours-The Basics":

Black Tailed Red (Red Brown; Mahogany black tail)

eWh/eWh s+/s+ Ar+/Ar+ Di/Di Mh/Mh (New Hampshire)

eWh/eWh s+/s+ Ar+/Ar+ Di/Di Mh/Mh Ml/Ml (similar to New Hampshire but with Ml which provides black stripe in lower hackle)

eWh/eWh s+/s+ Ar+/Ar+ Mh/Mh Db/Db (true red form as in New Hampshire but darker, lacking Dilute {Di}).

eWh/eWh s+/s+ Ar+/Ar+ Mh/Mh Db/Db 'rb/rb' (exhibition Rhode Island Red , depth of color from interaction of Mh and rb on Wheaton base. Undercolour from light Mahogany to salmon colour.
All credit to Van Dort and Hancox book. ( available in softcover from author).
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s+ = Gold : s- allele , extender of red/gold
Ar+ = autosomal Red : not sex-linked red/gold
Di = Dilute : diluter of red/gold
Mh = Mahogany : extender of red/intensifer of red
Ml = Melanotic : extender of black
Db = Darkbrown : extender of red/restrictor of black
'rb' = Recessive black : extender of black
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Best,
Karen

 

[Marengoite]

Heres a whole thread of the color that real RIRs are to look

just in case you haven't seen it as sometimes they will get 2 or 3 pages back and get stuck for a few days so some that are new miss them

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/407294/the-heritage-rhode-island-red-site

just helping out,here

Jeff

Thanks, Jeff. Very helpful.

rick

 

[3riverschick]

Reply I recieved from Sigrid Van Dort when inquiring about purchasing volumes of "Genetics of Chicken Colours - The Basics" :
Sent By:
[email protected] On: Aug 08/29/11 3:09 AM

Hi Karen,
The softcovers are printed in January since hard cover is too expensive
after the first run was sold out after 2 years. Printing prices raised a
lot therefore there are printed small runs of 50 books a time digitally.
The book is 75 euros, mail costs to the US of two copies 16,15 euro and
the protecting special carton wrap is 2 euros.
This is in total 168,15 euro.
You can pay with paypal: [email protected]
Or by bank:
Acc. #: 1279.35.401
Name: Sigrid van Dort Vormgeving
City: Klarenbeek
Country: Holland
Bic: RABONL2U
Iban: NL48RABO 0127935401
Have a nice day!
kind regards,
Sigrid
---------------------
One book is 75 euros: (as of 10-16-12, 75.00 EUR = 97.8596 USD )
Below is for two copies, all calculations are as of 10-16-12:
, mail costs to the US of two copies 16,15 euro ( 16.15 EUR = 21.0742 USD )
and the protecting special carton wrap is 2 euros ( 2.00 EUR = 2.61001 USD ).
This is in total 168,15 euro ( 168.15 EUR = 219.432 USD ).

 

[hcammack]

Reply I recieved from Sigrid Van Dort when inquiring about purchasing volumes of "Genetics of Chicken Colours - The Basics" :
Sent By:
[email protected] On: Aug 08/29/11 3:09 AM

I have this book. Must have bought it when it was less expensive cause I certainly did not spend $90. Hopefully you can get it some other time.

 

[3riverschick]

I have this book. Must have bought it when it was less expensive cause I certainly did not spend $90. Hopefully you can get it some other time.

I bought mine over a year ago. Paid 110. including shipping from a US source.
That's about 90.00 for the book. Have never seen it available on any searched database, including eBay.
Maybe someone else will have more success there.
Best,
karen

 

[lildinkem]

CENTRAL INDIANA POULTRY SHOW is this weekend. Hope some of you folks can make it out and see some great birds. 1,200 Open class and 800 Junior Class entries. Many times out here the Junior Class has some of the best birds in the show.
I will finally get to show some very young White Orps. I have entered 10 birds. 2 are Australorps and 8 Orpingtons.
One of the very young girls who may get to go

 

[Robert Blosl]

eWh/eWh s+/s+ Ar+/Ar+ Di/Di Mh/Mh (New Hampshire)

eWh/eWh s+/s+ Ar+/Ar+ Di/Di Mh/Mh Ml/Ml (similar to New Hampshire but with Ml which provides black stripe in lower hackle)

eWh/eWh s+/s+ Ar+/Ar+ Mh/Mh Db/Db (true red form as in New Hampshire but darker, lacking Dilute {Di}).

eWh/eWh s+/s+ Ar+/Ar+ Mh/Mh Db/Db 'rb/rb' (exhibition Rhode Island Red , depth of color from interaction of Mh and rb on Wheaton base. Undercolour from light Mahogany to salmon colour



Walt can you tell me what the heck this means.????????????????? Maybe if I can figure it out in the next 30 years I can breed better colored Rhode Island Reds. This looks like something Hillery Clinton might have discovered in Calif when she was in school out there with her PhD professors. Steve you no what I mean. I love genetics its so interesting and I dont know what the heck they are talking about but maybe it will help the next master breeder.

Well going to pop me some pop corn and sit down with my dog and watch the debate. You all have a nice night Matt I caught a big flounder after I talked to you in the boat. The Specks are in the river. Will go again tomorrow afternoon. bob.