Brahma Thread

[Huntress78]

The one who had pasty butt real bad seems to be recovering nicely.

Glad to hear that your little one is feeling better.

 

[BGMatt]

[COLOR=000000]No need to be condescending. It does nothing to promote your breed or organization….In fact it has turned some away.[/COLOR] [COLOR=000000]Anyway, believe it or not I have studied the SOP and it’s what prompted my question/reflection in the first place. I don’t know who is ignoring type. I certainly don’t but this particular reflection was about color (undercolor) and how it was worded in the SOP. Thanks to you I now understand that the ONE undercolor excepted is the ‘light bluish slate’…..unless the topcolor is correct….then anything goes….got it.[/COLOR] [COLOR=000000]I’m glad to know the breed is in ‘good hands’. I've been on the fence as to which way to go with breeding Brahmas. Now that I don’t have to worry about buying show birds in order to help with improvements I can spend my money on a color project instead.

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Gotta stick up for Tim here, he does a great job promoting the breed and educating folks about it. Folks always want to over complicate things. Yes in the show ring wrong under color is a minor defect, but the standard does specify the color, which if you elect to ignore that at home, you'll quickly lose proper coloration everywhere. It's linked. Light (Columbian) is a very tricky color to breed correctly. Perhaps the breed would be in an even better place if people listened to those that know rather than get all huffy and offended. Then again, as Tim said, that's why the vast majority of the real poultry people avoid BYC if they've even bothered hearing about it, be thankful some great breeders come on here and share their knowledge.

 

[Tim63]

Good luck on your color project.

 

[big medicine]

No need to be condescending. It does nothing to promote your breed or organization….In fact it has turned some away.


Anyway, believe it or not I have studied the SOP and it’s what prompted my question/reflection in the first place. I don’t know who is ignoring type. I certainly don’t but this particular reflection was about color (undercolor) and how it was worded in the SOP. Thanks to you I now understand that the ONE undercolor excepted is the ‘light bluish slate’…..unless the topcolor is correct….then anything goes….got it.


I’m glad to know the breed is in ‘good hands’. I've been on the fence as to which way to go with breeding Brahmas. Now that I don’t have to worry about buying show birds in order to help with improvements I can spend my money on a color project instead.

Not going to call somebody out on a public forum (today anyway), so I"ll PM you an example of what Tim was referring to. Birds that I would not call even slightly "Brahma-ish" in type for an outlandish asking price.

 

[dak]

No need to be condescending. It does nothing to promote your breed or organization….In fact it has turned some away.


Anyway, believe it or not I have studied the SOP and it’s what prompted my question/reflection in the first place. I don’t know who is ignoring type. I certainly don’t but this particular reflection was about color (undercolor) and how it was worded in the SOP. Thanks to you I now understand that the ONE undercolor excepted is the ‘light bluish slate’…..unless the topcolor is correct….then anything goes….got it.


I’m glad to know the breed is in ‘good hands’. I've been on the fence as to which way to go with breeding Brahmas. Now that I don’t have to worry about buying show birds in order to help with improvements I can spend my money on a color project instead.

Tim has been invaluable in helping me acquire breeding/show quality stock. He has always been there for no nonsense advice, and is one of the reasons I enjoy working with this breed.

If you just want pretty birds, have at it, but if you want to actually learn about the breed and be a responsible breeder, don't be so snarky. It's is what sends the top notch breeders running, screaming from BYC.

Bred from Tim's stock,

 

[Huntress78]

Quote: Thank you for your explanation....it's a good one.

The industry that my business is part of has one big forum similar to this one. I'm an oldtimer there and have answered thousands of questions from newbies....many times the same questions over and over so I DO appreciate the breeders answering questions here. However, I have never exhibited the 'attitude' that I've seen displayed here. I was offended because I don't know what I did to deserve that but I am not 'huffy'. I truly was on the fence as to which way to go in breeding....I want it to be an enjoyable hobby. Tim's comments about this forum and breeders not coming here were anything but welcoming....it seems to be a closed club or something....no newbies needed. Choosing a non-qualifying color to breed seems much less stressful.

 

[TNBEARCHICK]

Yeah that was pretty much my sentiments too. Well, might have been a little more "colorfull ".

Yeah we got hit by a coyote and a neighbors dog last year all in the same week.

By the way Big Medicine those Brahmas Madam asked the question on, we are going to get them this weekend from her. You suggested getting a nice LB Rooster to put over them, so could you care to give me some details on what this would give me in offspring and what I would want to do to improve these birds?

 

[Huntress78]

Tim I really was considering breeding lights and showing. I was undecided as to breeding a qualifying color vs non-qualifying because when I decide to do something like this I'm very serious about it. I don't know what I did to offend you in the first place but I apologize for being 'snarky'.

 

[big medicine]

Yeah we got hit by a coyote and a neighbors dog last year all in the same week.

By the way Big Medicine those Brahmas Madam asked the question on, we are going to get them this weekend from her. You suggested getting a nice LB Rooster to put over them, so could you care to give me some details on what this would give me in offspring and what I would want to do to improve these birds?

Post some good pictures once you get them, will help us get an idea where they could use some help, type wise. Which is an area most new project colors really need some help. Putting a good light male over blue columbian females should produce 50% blue columbian, and 50% (black trimmed) lights.

Now what will be interesting is to see if there is any affect on the green sheen of the black feathers on the lights from this cross. I have heard old stories that blacks that come of blue breeding sometimes lose the beetle green sheen on the males. Really doesn't affect your project here, as you are breeding for blue, but still would be interesting to note. I put a good light male over splash columbian females, there by getting all blue chicks, but did not get a chance to test that theory when the coyote nabbed the blue cockerel.

Really this should be an easy project to bring up to snuff, as all you will be doing is adding blue to an established variety, which just happens to have the best type and size of the current Brahma varieties. You could keep the best blue chicks each year, breed them to top noch lights, for as many generations as it takes to get the type off the blues on par with the best lights. So much easier than breeding toward a different pattern.

 

[BorderBrigade]

I would also like to thank Tim as well. I have been breeding Cochins for 10 years and on the last two years have collected show quality buff brahma breeding stock and have started my own brahma breeding program. I have learned so much by following alot of his advice on this thread and appreciate it very much. Alot of experienced breeders don't want to be bothered.