Brahma Thread

[sonew123]

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Gary can be more of the expert on this because he's had them for YEARS..lol but from my experience with them...One particular one goes broody every winter....she didn't hatch out last year as the other hens kept stepping on and breaking her eggs..and the roo would not leave her alone...tonight she will get her eggs I've been saving for her and be separated off...I hope she's successful..If she is not...I won't let her hatch again if she goes broody...

 

[Sjisty]

The last time someone asked that question, I said my Brahmas almost never go broody. Then, BAM, I had five Brahma broodies at the same time! I have a little Serama that is always broody, a little bantam (breed unknown) who is always broody, and a Jersey Giant that will go broody and knock another hen off her nest and steal her eggs. My Brahmas rarely go broody.

 

[sonew123]

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Knock on wood..that better not happen to me!

 

[bigzio]

Yep, you just never know for sure seeing it is a instinct. I've had some that waited til they were 3 years old before going broody. I've had good luck with good mothers.

bigz

 

[big medicine]

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BigMedicine, I have archived email correspondence from you that disprove your claims. Further, here is a link to a thread that you began.

Well Dan I have been reading alot of our old correspondences as well as rereading the thread on the Coop you linked. And to tell you the truth I am glad this has come up.

Last year you stated in one of your auctions about how you had developed the silver laced Brahma. I had a very nice response, but after checking with the Mods, it was thought not to be the proper venue to address your claim. But I would say this would be the very place to discuss the origin of a Brahma variety.

Let's start with your posting of 3-2-2010 from your auction.
"As a point of clarity: I actually had developed silver laced and gold laced brahmas long before I had developed my buff laced line. In fact, I developed these varieties along with the palomino variety with the sole intent of using them to create buff laced brahmas. As mentioned, my current silver laced birds do owe their silver gene to Big Medicine’s flock; however, the actual lacing pattern is a trait for which my flock is particularly well known. Indeed, this year I have planned a special pairing of black laced red brahmas intended to help Big Medicine with his blue laced red project. This is how a gentleman’s agreement works – a handshake, a promise, and a shared passion."

 

[big medicine]

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Further, here is a link to a thread that you began. Therein is a photo collage of my brahmas that I posted back in 2009. This photo clearly shows my brahmas exhibiting all of the genes that you claim you recently contributed to my flock.

Your posts from above linked thread.

Post 29302 , Page 3, 3-24-09

"I am very excited to find another breeder working on such a similar color variety of LF Brahma. When I started my project – almost ten years ago – my goal was to create one of my favorite color patterns in one of my favorite breeds. Now I am very close to having large fowl buff-laced Brahmas. When I began this project there were no heavy breed buff-laced birds to be found, so I started from scratch with buff and dark brahmas, golden laced cochins, golden-laced wyandottes, a blue Wyandotte/dark Brahma cross, white laced red Cornish, and a dominant white buff columbian Ameraucana hen. From the beginning I created and maintained two relatively unrelated lines so that I’d always have an outcross if I needed it. Unfortunately these lines no longer carry the blue gene – which they should – so the lacing looks a bit dirty. Big Medicine, when you have some blue or splash laced golds or reds I’d be interested in obtaining some from you to reintroduce the blue gene."

Post 29325, Page 5, 4-23-09

" I lost my blue gene once already because I lost track of it behind the dominant white. If I could start with splash birds it would really simplify things."

 

[big medicine]

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It is no secret that the silver laced brahma chicks that I have sold this year are ¼ Imwalle and ¾ Powell. Indeed, I have advertised this fact quite plainly. This does not mean that these silvers are still your line any more than they are still the wyandottes, cochins, or buff and partridge brahmas that I used to create my laced line of brahmas.

"As mentioned, my current silver laced birds do owe their silver gene to Big Medicine’s flock"

Dan you failed to mention this silver gene also came with all the following ingredients required for single lacing, in a typey Brahma wrapping.
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Dan , never claimed them to still be my line, just that silver laced Brahmas originated here in my coop, and you got your start from me. And I stand by that.

 

[big medicine]

Let's go back here a minute.
Your post of 3-2-10

"As a point of clarity: I actually had developed silver laced and gold laced brahmas long before I had developed my buff laced line. In fact, I developed these varieties along with the palomino variety with the sole intent of using them to create buff laced brahmas. As mentioned, my current silver laced birds do owe their silver gene to Big Medicine’s flock; however, the actual lacing pattern is a trait for which my flock is particularly well known. Indeed, this year I have planned a special pairing of black laced red brahmas intended to help Big Medicine with his blue laced red project. This is how a gentleman’s agreement works – a handshake, a promise, and a shared passion."

Let's discuss this gentleman's agreement.
On Jan. 16, 2010 BYC member skyie1 while on a trip to pick up other birds nearby, also picked up, here at my place 4 young, 7-8 month old Brahma project birds, consisting of 2 silver laced cockerels, a pair of blue laced buff/golds to deliver to Dan once back in Wisconsin. I provided these to Dan after multiple requests, with his expressed intention of using the blue/buffs to reintroducing the blue he had lost in his buff laced project. The silver laced where to be used in a silver spangled Brahma project Dan was working on. I provided these birds at no charge. Not in a million years would I have considered using such a rare gift outside the purpose intended, and would consider doing otherwise extremely poor form. Dan has told me he has paired birds to help with my blue laced red project as quoted above, I look forward to their arrival.

Dan, you have been pretty clear what percetage the parentage of your silver laced are. Just out curiousity what percent of your buff laced Brahmas currently carry blood from my birds ? I am glad to have been of help on that project, as that was the original intent.

I am also glad we have laid to rest any confusion as to the historical facts regarding the origin of silver laced Brahmas. I've worked way too hard for the waters to get muddied after the fact. By the way, I had gold laced Brahma-ish birds on the ground several years before you started your project. Having all the proper physical elements present, with out them being arranged in recognizable proper Brahma type, does not make them Brahmas, in my book.

 

[pgpoultry]

Back onto the topic of Blue Partridge and Gold (Partridge).....in Britain these are the colourings.

Gold female.

Gold male, next to dog

Blue Partridge male....a few post back.

Blue Partridge female.

The dark bits on the head and neck are just wet feathers as we have had rain every day for many weeks.

This girl also is Blue Partridge, but her feathers are not so 'blue'

The Gold breed true, but the Blue don't with Gold and Splash being produced.

That's as I understand it, but I could be absolutely wrong and am prepared to be told so.

 

[1mommahen]

Wow Big Med, great posts!!!!!!! I feel like I just crammed for a Brahma Test with the best cliff notes around!!!!!!!!!!!!