BREEDING FOR PRODUCTION...EGGS AND OR MEAT.

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by hellbender, Dec 27, 2013.

  1. hellbender

    hellbender Overrun With Chickens

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    The bird(s) you decide to cross with the Dark Cornish is very important as is the direction of the cross....what breeds are top/bottom. Makes a difference.
     
  2. bnjrob

    bnjrob Overrun With Chickens

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    Yes, you should rotate your eggs while you are storing them. I actually bought an egg turner to put stored eggs in, but the first time I stored eggs for a bit, I just stuck them in a carton and every few hours I would lift one side of the carton & prop it up on something, then do the other side the next time, to simulate an egg turner. I found that the more often that I turned the eggs, the better hatch rate that I had when storing for a week or more.

    Every day that you store an egg, the chance increases for the egg not to hatch. I have successfully hatched 2 week old eggs, but the hatch rate does drop a good bit beyond a week of storage.
     
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  3. gjensen

    gjensen Overrun With Chickens

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    1. Yes. It is more important later in storage than early, but you will do well to rotate them. Without an automatic turner, just prop up an egg carton on one side. Reverse it morning and evening.

    2. 60-65 are good temps for storage. Humidity is a factor. I know someone that sets eggs for up to 2 weeks because she likes to limit the qty of batches. She does well and gets reasonable rates. Occasionally it could be considered beneficial to push the limits, and tolerate the lower hatch rates. I tired this myself and had a decent hatch. I was not happy with it, and decided to lift the set time to ten days. There is a drop from ideal, but a small one. Longer storage times require more precision during storage. If your goal is 50 eggs, and you can get them in 9 days, go for it. Understanding that you may lose a couple of them.

    Less obvious issues, and deformities, you will have not hurt a lot by hatching from the entire group. And I believe that flock mating is a good way to start, allowing for some room for error. Now as you move forward cost alone will motivate you to select. They cost too much to breed from them all, and grow out inferior offspring.

    I like that you are selecting for egg size. That is part of the selection process. An often neglected one.
     
  4. gjensen

    gjensen Overrun With Chickens

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    Historically the Cornish x New Hampshire was a popular cross. That is what started the industry as we know it. First the NH, and then the NH x Cornish cross. They were called Red Cornish.

    Often a NH male was used.

    I imagine what is on what side can matter, but that would be more about the individuals (or particular line bred strains) than the method. Less sex linked genes the contribution is equal. I imagine what matters most is that everything is present between the two sides. For example a large breed with a good rate of growth x a bird with a muscular body and solid frame.

    Males from sex linked laying strains (like the black sex linked males) could be useful in such a cross. They have exceptional rates of growth, and paired with some heavy Cornish, they could be beneficial. This would be a three way cross, of sorts, and in some crossings shown to be superior.

    Size, ideally, needs to be on both sides. Rate of growth should be on at least one side.

    There is a practical advantage to the better laying strain being on the female side.

    Regardless, the experimenting with simple traditional crosses is interesting. It can prove interesting to see what "nicks" with what. The Buckeye x Cornish cross is interesting.
     
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  5. LindaB220

    LindaB220 Overrun With Chickens

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    Are you going to continue caponizing? This is a very radical direction for you. Good luck. I saw a picture of the hybrid pups you were talking about. I don't blame the handyman at all. [​IMG] That's some wild looking dogs. Turk still super busy with his job? .
     
  6. hellbender

    hellbender Overrun With Chickens

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    Yes...we will continue to caponize because we like the flavor of the more mature birds, in addition to the size. It's a Win-Win situation and additionally, the capons can be kept together indefinitely with no fear of anything than a squabble now and again as compared to fights to the death.

    Cocks will pay the capons little or no attention because the capons will not be pressing the hens.

    Turk spent a bit over one month in Brasil, came back and needed almost another week to rest up before going back to work. So, I guess they had a great time. lol That city (about 25 miles from the property) is a combination of high-tone evening affairs, Wild and wooly sections that only the young could enjoy and everything in between. Turk would like to live there but his partner...not so much. Turk could walk into a well paying job and his partner wold have a harder time getting a placement in the news print industry, anywhere near corresponding to what he has at the Journal in Louisville.

    I'm actually glad to have the pups back...especially the biotch, She's a big gal and looks almost pure. No hurry to breed any more pups but she might be a prospect, well down the line. I'm looking around for a good young ale...gonna' bite the bullet and get a on to up-grading in a year or so...

    Thanks for asking!!
     
  7. 1zooman12

    1zooman12 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Thanks for the opportunity to expose a load of horse feathers:
    1) LOL? What is so funny? 2) What relevance do a load of doubtless leftists degrees have to do with the topic at hand? The question posed by the original essayist merely asked what sort of scales are to be preferred to which I gave an opinion not requiring a backup of modern erroneous academics. 3) "We"? Who is this we to whom you refer and where was it stated in the original query that the goal was establishing EPDs? I saw no such objective being established. 4) Certainly certified instruments are required to such a task you postulated but none was indicated. 5) Your stated inability to count whether it be scales or loads of horse excrement or whatever you choose is something you will have to work out for yourself with the available remedial aide of your choosing but was not an integral part of the original question. But I wish you luck with that as a lab technician with such a handicap should have such basics under control before being allowed to run amok in a scientific laboratory. 6) And measuring materials for anticipated nuclear fission? Who postulated that might be one of the options suggested by the essayist? 7) Your reference to record keeping is laudable but was not once mentioned by the questioner. 8) If devotees of leftist ideology were adept at sticking to a subject without practical experience in using measuring devices then maybe our country would not be burdened by a 17 trillion dollar national debt and the dire prospect of losing our liberty. 9) One must always stick to any original hypothesis and refrain from going off like a lost soul engaging in some pathetic hysteria. I hope that you are able to get relief from your inner demons. You expose what very well may be a serious illness.
    Thanks for an opportunity to help you with you're a anxieties without ever having to brag about degrees accumulated nor resort to any hysteria likely stemming from inappropriate effects of a misguided philosophy.
    Neal, the Zooman
     
  8. hellbender

    hellbender Overrun With Chickens

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    I think it's just a bit over 18 trillion....but I wouldn't split hairs. Very interesting post.

    I appreciate a poster with conviction...

    RON aka Hellbender!!!!
     
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  9. Bill Matthews

    Bill Matthews Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I am more concerned about self-righteous people who have several screws loose and refuse to listen to anyone who disagrees with them than about " leftist" ideology or "losing our liberty," whatever those nebulous phrases mean.....
     
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  10. Leahs Mom

    Leahs Mom Chicken Obsessed

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    Just got an Excalibur for Christmas (a food dehydrator for the uninitiated).

    Got to wondering last night if it could be used to incubate (with obvious attention to appropriate humidity). Any thoughts?
     
  11. Bill Matthews

    Bill Matthews Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I apologize for this thoughtless post...The thread was really about chickens...I got carried away; as I sometimes do...My remarks have no place here and should be on another forum, if anywhere..Please overlook and accept my apology..Focus on chicken issues or keep my mouth/computer shut should be my motto!
     
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  12. Leahs Mom

    Leahs Mom Chicken Obsessed

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    Okay...
    So anyone think I could use an Excalibur to incubate?
     
  13. ronott1

    ronott1 Daily Digest Guru Premium Member Project Manager

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    If you already have one then it looks like it would work.

    The Genesis 1588 costs about the same and comes with an auto turner.
     
  14. Leahs Mom

    Leahs Mom Chicken Obsessed

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    Just got one for Christmas.. just don't know if the dander will wreck the fan!
     

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