Breeding Hambars/Hampbars

[cherylcohen]

yes! I've been drooling over those sites for a week now....exciting

 

[cherylcohen]

Just grabbed this from a UK site - is this the rhodebar shape we should be aiming for?

 

[draye]

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Not Illia,
but it would be hard choice for me.
1) The rooster on the left over all looks the best, bigger (not sure of the ages on these, he may be older).
2) The rooster on the right has the better looking combs.
3) Why not keep both and combine thier finer points?

Pretty roosters, or should I say Handsome!

 

[Illia]

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They're in two separate poses so it's a little unfair but I'd never stick with the one on the right from what I see, the one on the left is certainly doable from what I see though. Broad body, lower tail, decent breast, smaller comb although it is a little weird looking, and his legs are yellow. The other one appears to have white legs.

But, the photos don't show much, and the one on the right is posing to make itself look smaller and skinnier.

 

[Chris09]

The person that is working on a recreating a Hambar would have to first find good Rhodebars and from what I have seen of Greenfire farms Rhodebars they are not even close to the Rhodebar standard.
With there High tail angle, short backs, small chests, lack of brick shape etc.. They just don't put to mind a Rhode Island Red like a Rhodebar should.

When you can get a good Rhodebar line then you can start crossing it to a good New Hampshire line to recreate the Hambar.

Chris

 

[cherylcohen]

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Chris have you been able to see them in person or photos other than what on the greenfire website? Just wondering who might have the best?

 

[Chris09]

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The bird on the right has incorrect leg color (they look white and should be yellow) but as they stand I would say the one on the left is the better bird, but that is as they stand in that picture.


Chris

 

[catdaddyfro]

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I like the one on the left body wise, his comb is a little off but that's a charateristic that can be fixed down the road so to say.

yes Illia that's my plan to use the NH females from Kathy's line and I am working on getting either eggs or some chicks from her out of those fantastic Barred Rock Good Shepard(Frank Reese) females and one of the German NH males=(BSL F1) breeder male and cross him onto the German NH females and that should be a good start for the body type I'm shooting for.

And yes if a person was going for a full on egg/ production type then you could use the hatchery types to accomplish this which is what I plan on practicing with to get the ball rolling. Also too, there's buff barreds popping up out of the Delaware projects Kathy is working on now and few of us others will be starting soon (hopefully). It would be interesting to see how/what comes out of all these little crop outs too. I find this a very interesting project to kick around a little bit. I will be putting way more effort into the Delaware project first though, as I already have more of a head-start on that one. But little by little I hope to get me some Buff-barreds outta all this operation mainly for decorative eye candy but who knows I might just be onto to something great here to who knows, right?

Jeff

 

[Chris09]

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Chris have you been able to see them in person or photos other than what on the greenfire website? Just wondering who might have the best?

I have only seen pictures of Greenfires birds (Way too much money for what they are) but I have seen some UK bird on line that were drop dead nice.
As for who may have the best, hard to say it has been some time since I thought about getting them.

I have been kicking around the idea or recreating a Redbar (Rhode Island Red /Barred Rock cross) but I just need to set down and think about the idea a little longer.

Chris

 

[rc50]

Hi.. One thing that I have picked up on in seven years of reading and doing on autosexing breeds is that to create them Professor Peace and his team... ( I have read several of his studies and books too... ) Used the best way they knew how to breed in the barred gene... this gene in the male must be double to breed true... in such a male the reason he can be sexed at hatch is that he is lighter in color than the female... mine are almost white... just tinted yellow... if you have ever seen barred rock day old chicks you will see a white spot on some of their heads... with an autosexing breed this white spot is carried all over the body... so they hatch lighter.... the reason a Rhodebar was used to create the Hambar is it is faster and allot easier... but it is not the ONLY way to breed an autosexing breed... it is simply the first way.... the Rhodebar was also breed using the Brussbar.... which is a Brown Sussex over a barred rock.... do you know how RARE a Brown Sussex is ?it is simply easier and faster to create Autosexing breeds from an Autosexing breed... I have seen "recipes" for Autosexing breeds from the 1920's the Cambar the first Autosexing breed to the late 50's.... they all start the same with the red or brown male over the barred female... yes you will not have that "strain" of Autosexing breed that is now gone to history but you WILL have an Autosexing breed...
just my two cents...

Keith
SC