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I really do not believe selling them would be a problem. Not being honest about what you are sell would though. JMHO
Yeah, it is mainly the issue of dishonesty that I think comes into mind when serious breeders think of mutts. For example, as someone involved with Oriental games which are already difficult to find ones worth breeding to begin with, someone will get birds that may end up being crossed and peddle them off onto unsuspecting beginners. "They should of knew the birds they were buying." true, but most people don't even consider that they can't trust someone claiming to have a pure breed that they've bred for years and years when they first begin.
It is also a issue I think, of show poultry breeders whether they admit it or not, that many of them can't help but to despise "designer breeds." For example, I can spend 20 years selecting, breeding, caring, etc. For my fowl, and I could look at them as highly prized fowl, I've worked hard to get them to the status they are; and then someone comes along who has NEVER put any more work into the birds than buying them from a flea market and tossing it in a pen to proclaim, "I've got some Alabama Blues!" And such a case is usually only done to increase the money value, when it is not a pure breed and is misleading.
So someone buys the birds, takes them home, goes to BYC and wants to see if anyone else has heard of them; at which point someone sees the photo and says "Why, it looks like a Andalusian to me." "Wow! My bird really does look like a Andalusian." "Maybe the guy didn't know and just called them Alabama blues?" or perhaps the guy just never told this certain individual they were Alabama blues so the person posts on BYC to see what they are.
Well, then you have them accepting Andalusian blue as the breed name for them, they sell them as that and people trust their honesty because the person may fully believe they are Andalusian's though they may carry as little as 1/4 of that blood; they then sell to a beginner just getting started and again repeat the process of ruining the beginners time and money only to find out later they are not or the blood may be integrated into show quality stock only to ruin it.
I say ruin it, because after awhile, traits will begin to show up. The OEGB in America for example, look at how many low winged, white ear-lobed, brown eyed, etc. Birds are abundantly sold as OEGB when they don't even resemble exactly what a OEGB should- primarily because of the Rosecomb, probably Dutch, Japanese bantam blood, etc. Was added.
If honest, I have no problems with mutts. I like some of them, have bred some of them as well. But I gotta say, designer dogs still irk me and I'm not even a dog breeder. For example, I know someone who had their Pomeranian cross with their Toy (believe it was a Toy) Poodle, and they're so glad they've got "Pomapoo's!" The dog is not a breed, it is a f1 MUTT, and is nowhere near worth 600 dollars and preying upon the lack of common sense in America is mean. However, if you're honest I don't have a problem.
I don't have much problem with someone creating their own breed, as in, if you had a goal set and selected for characteristics to create your own breed, go right ahead. But don't cross it once and call it a "breed." It's not a breed, it is a cross. Varieties, I am also somewhat against, depending on how it is done. Say for example, I wanted a black Brahma, I wouldn't deem it unfit to find a black Malay (which I believe is part of their heritage) and cross it in for numerous generations to set the color in place and making it look like a Brahma in every aspect.
But I would not feel right breeding a black Silkie, or maybe a Sumatra or something, into the Brahma and still calling it a Brahma. Each to their own though, I'll breed what I want how I see fit, you can do whatsoever you want and I never have a issue with it if you're honest.
God bless,
Daniel.
Actually, what something is worth (monetarily) is based entirely upon what someone is willing to pay for it. It may not be a breed, but if it is desirable to enough people and they're willing to pay $600 for it, then it's worth $600 (that's Economics 101 - supply and demand). Now, if your friend paid $600 for a Pomapoo, but the seller really sold her something else - that's the problem. Also, if the OP were taking her chickens to unsuspecting purebreed breeders' homes and letting them rendezvous with their flock and messing up their breeding program, that'd be another problem (I feel it's probably safe to assume this is not the case). None of these breeders are being forced to buy the mixed breed birds that are being sold (e.g. I prefer red grapes to green, so I buy red and I don't think the produce guy is going to sneak any green ones into my bag because he has some sort of green grape agenda). So, short of sellers lying about what they're selling (and for those who do, shame on you!), people should fill free to mix and sell whatever chickens they so choose. I know this post sounds argumentative (as all voiceless words on a screen usually do), but it's not meant that way. In fact, your main point was to just be honest and on that we absolutely agree. I simply needed to point out that (maybe not to you) your friend's dog is worth $600 simply because that is what you're friend paid for it.
I really do not believe selling them would be a problem. Not being honest about what you are sell would though. JMHO
Yeah, it is mainly the issue of dishonesty that I think comes into mind when serious breeders think of mutts. For example, as someone involved with Oriental games which are already difficult to find ones worth breeding to begin with, someone will get birds that may end up being crossed and peddle them off onto unsuspecting beginners. "They should of knew the birds they were buying." true, but most people don't even consider that they can't trust someone claiming to have a pure breed that they've bred for years and years when they first begin.
It is also a issue I think, of show poultry breeders whether they admit it or not, that many of them can't help but to despise "designer breeds." For example, I can spend 20 years selecting, breeding, caring, etc. For my fowl, and I could look at them as highly prized fowl, I've worked hard to get them to the status they are; and then someone comes along who has NEVER put any more work into the birds than buying them from a flea market and tossing it in a pen to proclaim, "I've got some Alabama Blues!" And such a case is usually only done to increase the money value, when it is not a pure breed and is misleading.
So someone buys the birds, takes them home, goes to BYC and wants to see if anyone else has heard of them; at which point someone sees the photo and says "Why, it looks like a Andalusian to me." "Wow! My bird really does look like a Andalusian." "Maybe the guy didn't know and just called them Alabama blues?" or perhaps the guy just never told this certain individual they were Alabama blues so the person posts on BYC to see what they are.
Well, then you have them accepting Andalusian blue as the breed name for them, they sell them as that and people trust their honesty because the person may fully believe they are Andalusian's though they may carry as little as 1/4 of that blood; they then sell to a beginner just getting started and again repeat the process of ruining the beginners time and money only to find out later they are not or the blood may be integrated into show quality stock only to ruin it.
I say ruin it, because after awhile, traits will begin to show up. The OEGB in America for example, look at how many low winged, white ear-lobed, brown eyed, etc. Birds are abundantly sold as OEGB when they don't even resemble exactly what a OEGB should- primarily because of the Rosecomb, probably Dutch, Japanese bantam blood, etc. Was added.
If honest, I have no problems with mutts. I like some of them, have bred some of them as well. But I gotta say, designer dogs still irk me and I'm not even a dog breeder. For example, I know someone who had their Pomeranian cross with their Toy (believe it was a Toy) Poodle, and they're so glad they've got "Pomapoo's!" The dog is not a breed, it is a f1 MUTT, and is nowhere near worth 600 dollars and preying upon the lack of common sense in America is mean. However, if you're honest I don't have a problem.
I don't have much problem with someone creating their own breed, as in, if you had a goal set and selected for characteristics to create your own breed, go right ahead. But don't cross it once and call it a "breed." It's not a breed, it is a cross. Varieties, I am also somewhat against, depending on how it is done. Say for example, I wanted a black Brahma, I wouldn't deem it unfit to find a black Malay (which I believe is part of their heritage) and cross it in for numerous generations to set the color in place and making it look like a Brahma in every aspect.
But I would not feel right breeding a black Silkie, or maybe a Sumatra or something, into the Brahma and still calling it a Brahma. Each to their own though, I'll breed what I want how I see fit, you can do whatsoever you want and I never have a issue with it if you're honest.
God bless,
Daniel.
Actually, what something is worth (monetarily) is based entirely upon what someone is willing to pay for it. It may not be a breed, but if it is desirable to enough people and they're willing to pay $600 for it, then it's worth $600 (that's Economics 101 - supply and demand). Now, if your friend paid $600 for a Pomapoo, but the seller really sold her something else - that's the problem. Also, if the OP were taking her chickens to unsuspecting purebreed breeders' homes and letting them rendezvous with their flock and messing up their breeding program, that'd be another problem (I feel it's probably safe to assume this is not the case). None of these breeders are being forced to buy the mixed breed birds that are being sold (e.g. I prefer red grapes to green, so I buy red and I don't think the produce guy is going to sneak any green ones into my bag because he has some sort of green grape agenda). So, short of sellers lying about what they're selling (and for those who do, shame on you!), people should fill free to mix and sell whatever chickens they so choose. I know this post sounds argumentative (as all voiceless words on a screen usually do), but it's not meant that way. In fact, your main point was to just be honest and on that we absolutely agree. I simply needed to point out that (maybe not to you) your friend's dog is worth $600 simply because that is what you're friend paid for it.
