Breeding Phesants to free range???

[Tony K T]

Here's where the problem starts.There are over 40 species of pheasants,not all are ringnecks.And if you count all the mutations and cross breeds,the count goes up to maybe 120 species.So what is wrong with having more mutations then pure birds?Your removing the pure birds in massive numbers.As they are more and more closer to being endangered we are trying to keep as many pures as we can.
Is anyone here a member of the APWS?
As for coming on here and being unkind.We are trying to help,but our views for our hobby is not taken seriously and we unkind folks should keep our mouths shut and let you tree huggers ruin our hobby without a word said.That will never happenI have my views and opinions and I will always express them when I feel needed.But I will not reply to this post again as if I do I will probably get banned from this site again.I enjoy coming here daily and helping people and sharing my experiances raising pheasants.Here's a few pics of ornamental pheasants.Now why in "Gods" creation should they be changed or crossed?
In N.H.,Tony.

Wow! lets see where to start...1st off every domesticated animal that we own was once wild...so if you own any type of animal then well...2nd) if you keep a wild animal in a cage that is animal cruel in my opinion, wild animals should not be kept and bred and sold to the average person and if it had to be kept and bred for the preservation of the species then let the zoo's do it...3rd) Pheasants are still hunted so they are not yet that rare 4) many, many people breed pheasants and there are hatching eggs and chicks all over the net, many of whom buy them to hunt... 5.) if pheasants are already being kept world wide then is it not in there best interest to be more domesticated? As I stated before wild animals do not belong in cages, domestic animal however have been bred for centuries by us and now are happy to be with us and tolerate cages much better...though no animal should be kept in a cage for its entire life. There for by my reasoning I would be enhancing the lives of pheasants by breeding them to be more able to fit into today's world...as humans are not going anywhere and the animals that are able to best live with us will live on as well 6.) if they were more easily taken care of and more friendly then more people would own them and that would mean more pheasants...Right? 7.) I'm not talking about a nationwide mandate on the management of pheasants here...just about a few people rising to the ever growing demand for the beautiful pheasants to be more friendly and manageable...if you do not agree then by all means do not do it

 

[annabell254]

I do not want to change them...only improve upon their life...I want pheasants and I will not keep animals in cages or dogs outside for that matter and I raise Great Danes and all 7 live happily with me inside. I feel that birds are happier outside in their natural habitat finding bugs and hiding under bushes. If you are breeding and raising pheasants to be released back into the wild then I applaud you...I am just doing something different, I have no ill will, I just want to share my opinions and projects as well. And for me that is to have a pheasant more suited for the back yard...because that is where most are sold to anymore...as unfortunate as it may be, it is the truth, and they would be happier, both pheasants and human owner...if they were more easily managed...I am not talking about purposefully crossing species, only that if it happened I would not be horrified. I thank everyone for their opinions! bad and good alike

 

[chickenzoo]

It is one thing to state ones opinion..... But another to say it in an unkind way. No one has to agree with what anyone believes..... But Tony, i did not say you or anyone specific. I have seen you post pics and then some one say something meanly like. ..why and the heck do you...blablabla..... Before asking you why such and such bird was on wire..........etc etc... I see many unkind comments from many people here. We need to learn from everyone here. Its good that you want to keep them pure. I don't mix my species of pheasant for breeding. Most of mine are in pens. I don't fault others for doing so or if theirs are smaller in Pens then others. I have learned many things on here but also am afraid to post because of the comments.from others. Many of the posters are young and just learning. They need to know why to keep birds pure and why things are done other ways too. Im not a tree hugger....my title says emu hugger. .... Lol...but i try to be a tolerant person and see also others ideas too

 

[pheasantfrenzie]

AMEN chickenzoo
It is hard to post anything on here because you always have the people that think they are better than others because they have been doing it for longer or what ever and that is sad.No matter how long I have been doing it I WILL ALWAYS POST SOMETHING IF I HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE and have the experience to help others that may not. If you do know of a different way of doing it that is fine but that is why people go onto sites to learn not to be turned away. I think if you are interested in Pheasants and know something about what somebody has posted we should ALL answer the best we can whether you like that person or not or what they are doing which many people do have a problem with. That is how you learn and how others learn more about what they own and keep those breeds going.

This was a simple post for somebody else to learn about a way they would like to raise there pheasants and it has turned into breeding this and that and many other things. This is very sad.
YOU WERE ALSO NEW TO THIS and would you know what you know today if you didn't ask questions or if people answered the way some of you do. I DON"T THINK SO!!!
Always follow what your mother says " If you have nothing nice to say then don't say anything at all"
I hope this doesn't stop her from doing something she believes in that it helps and gives her knowledge to accomplish it without failer.

Patty

 

[chickenzoo]

Yes, it is such a shame as their is so much knowledge from so many different people on here. And i know everyone that posts has a passion or a developing interest in these birds and the want to care for them however.they feel they can. We don't want people to be turned away from this interest if we want to continue the species in any way.

 

[Tony K T]

I by no means think that I am better then anyone else.Because I have raised pheasants for years,I have learned a lot and hope to help others along the way.And I am still learning about them and more then likely learn a lot more in the future.But it is common sense,you takea birds only defense away(flight)and it will be easy prey for any predator,I think that crossbreeding and trying to free range a pheasant is just not good for the pheasant.If you want to free range a bird it should be a bird that will free range,not to change a bird to your convienence.A pheasant sitting in the filed is absolutely beautiful,if there is no predators around to kill it.As I said above,the only defense of a bird is flight,you take it away it's gonna be someone dinner for sure.
In N.H.,Tony.

 

[deserthotwings]

Amen Tony, our pheasant speices should be kept intact. It is too hard already to find pure blood birds. The true beauty in game birds is what they were intended to be, wild birds. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, but there are a few of us long time breeders who do not like the idea of interfering with nature. Not that we know any more than anyone else by any means. I learn something different everytime I'm on this page. Don't mean to be rude to anyone, just my opinion. Thanks everyone

 

[floridapoultry]

**I do have to add that my birds didn't start out like this and that I have VERY VERY patient neighbors that have called me many times telling me my pheasants are in their yards with their chickens and to come get them, oops.

If your neighbors have called you "many times" telling you that your pheasants were in their yards, is free ranging really working out? Having to be catching up and handling your pheasants "many times" could be pretty hard on pheasants (they are not like poultry as Dan has pointed out), not to mention hinder breeding, egg laying, etc. Also, one might wonder if disease transmission could become a problem with your free ranging when they are getting with the neighbors poultry many times. In other threads didn't you post some pictures of young pheasants with crooked necks, pheasants with blinders on them, etc.?

 

[chickenzoo]

I don't think the Op has intended to cross any species...although they may by letting different species freerange together.i would only let one species at a time unless it was a group of all one sex. If they wanted to try with red golden first...... Then I think they would have better results..... As they are pretty docile. I have been hands on with many of my birds, and many when they have gotten out have come right up to me. I am able to pick them up, scratch their chin and put them back... Not all Pheasants would be good at freeranging. Golden, silver and Lady A would be the best. I am lucky to have six Great Pyre that i have raised around my birds. They protect and lay by them. They let the swans sleep in their dog houses with them and steal their dog food....the let the cranes jump on them and bite their tails.... Having a good guardian is a must.for any freerange birds. I pinion any new.pheasant, peafowl or guinea chick i hatch. I do not want any escapees breeding in the woods and becoming a menace to anyone or thing. State and federal rules need to come into thought also when allowing any bird to freerange. I certainly would not let my emu range without a fence........

 

[annabell254]

Do not worry I am not put off...I raise Champion Blue European Great Danes and have for 9 years developing my lines and now I am breeding a blue harlequin...my favorite color but not an approved color...and the Great Dane world fell over ha ha but I am breeding beautiful show quality dogs and no one else is as no other breeders here in the states would tackle it but I have a strong foundation in genetics and understand what I m doing and how to do it and now thous same people are coming to me for puppies and I am tutoring them on the genetics of the merle and harlequin gene...I also do not feel that having a more suitable temperament for what the birds are being used for as a set back...if my future birds are able to free rage then would they not be better suited to be wild than the birds raised in pens which are incapable of being released with out them disappearing and dying...mother nature culls hard for survival against predation...and if your birds never free range and have the weakest ones picked off then you are simply breeding to breed (so to speak, and not an insult)...I want mine to have predators avoiding skills and still like humans...and it is possible to have both...Genetics are a wonderful and complicated thing with survival at its heart