Breeds needing preservation - how rare

[rodriguezpoultry]

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Rodriguezpoultry,
Did you get gooseandduck farm's permission before you lifted and posted their picture from their website????
Sharon

I would like to state, since Sharon pointed out, that the bird from gooseandduck farm is indeed, NOT mine. All credit should go directly to gooseandduck farm for raising the Barred Plymouth Rock male in the original post of the photo.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

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The ALBC makes it's determination of what's rare based soley on the census forms they send out to members of the ALBC. I'm not a member so I don't get queried even though I raise a "threatened" breed. Kind of a weak data gathering system.

If you raise a threatened breed maybe you should think about joining a group that works to preserve them..... Just a thought.

Steve in NC

But how are they preserving a breed without actually breeding towards a standard of some sort? Isn't the point of preserving something (anything in this instance) for the protection of the breed characteristics? Rather than the characteristics chosen for that breed being lost?

 

[Steve_of_sandspoultry]

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Rodriguezpoultry - The point Sharon was trying to make is you can not lift another persons photos from a website without their permission. The little "c" at the bottom of the page means copyright- To do what you did is called copyright infringement.

Steve in NC

 

[Steve_of_sandspoultry]

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If you raise a threatened breed maybe you should think about joining a group that works to preserve them..... Just a thought.

Steve in NC

But how are they preserving a breed without actually breeding towards a standard of some sort? Isn't the point of preserving something (anything in this instance) for the protection of the breed characteristics? Rather than the characteristics chosen for that breed being lost?

The ALBC is not a breeder - it's up to the breeder to breed to standard. The ALBC is a group of breeders and not just for poultry. Take NYREDS for example, breeding a "threatend" breed. Nobody knows he is even out there or what he has. ok, he breeds for show quailty, wonderful, a fox gets into his pen and wipes out his flock. I ask you, how is that preserving the breed when it is gone and nobody even knows it was there in the first place? Groups like the ALBC or the SPPA do work to preserve the breed by keeping records, and lists of breeders - don't you think that has value?

 

[halo]

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Now, I dont mean to start a war here, but in looking at these 2 barred rocks, the type on the hatchery roo is actually nicer to my eye than the show quality roo, other than the barring being nicer. Neck is better, back is better, tail carriage is better. If I were to pick one to add to a barred flock, Id choose the hatchery roo, as being closer to the standard.

 

[seriousbill]

Everyone has their personal preferences, certainly. But the chest alone sells me on the second bird. Nice big chunky type. Dual purpose birds should not be light weight. The markings are also superior. But, hey, everyone has different tastes. Still, if you look at the standard illustration, there's not much room to bring personal tastes to bear. When it comes right down to it, the barring is either precise or it's not, no matter what you prefer.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

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Now, I dont mean to start a war here, but in looking at these 2 barred rocks, the type on the hatchery roo is actually nicer to my eye than the show quality roo, other than the barring being nicer. Neck is better, back is better, tail carriage is better. If I were to pick one to add to a barred flock, Id choose the hatchery roo, as being closer to the standard.

And that is why hatchery birds are available. For those who prefer birds that conform less to the standard. It keeps variety in the gene pool, but in the case of preservation, it really does little to maintain the breed.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

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But how are they preserving a breed without actually breeding towards a standard of some sort? Isn't the point of preserving something (anything in this instance) for the protection of the breed characteristics? Rather than the characteristics chosen for that breed being lost?

The ALBC is not a breeder - it's up to the breeder to breed to standard. The ALBC is a group of breeders and not just for poultry. Take NYREDS for example, breeding a "threatend" breed. Nobody knows he is even out there or what he has. ok, he breeds for show quailty, wonderful, a fox gets into his pen and wipes out his flock. I ask you, how is that preserving the breed when it is gone and nobody even knows it was there in the first place? Groups like the ALBC or the SPPA do work to preserve the breed by keeping records, and lists of breeders - don't you think that has value?

I'm sorry, but it makes no sense to me? If a breeder has his own flock, he will doubtlessly have connections to other breeders that maintain the same flock so that if there is an issue, he will be able to get more birds. Oftentimes, these breeders "swap" their birds to maintain a different genetic line.

It seems to me, and this is just me saying, that groups like the ALBC are just a listing of rare breeds to show to the public. In other words, put the breeder's names out there so that others can see if the breeder will sell some of their eggs, chicks, culls, or breeder birds.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

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Rodriguezpoultry - The point Sharon was trying to make is you can not lift another persons photos from a website without their permission. The little "c" at the bottom of the page means copyright- To do what you did is called copyright infringement.

Steve in NC

I believe I have made it quite clear as to whom the photo belongs. I also believe that you can move on from this argument and pertain to the topic at hand.

Thank you for your concern.

 

[TimG]

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Rodriguezpoultry,
Did you get gooseandduck farm's permission before you lifted and posted their picture from their website????
Sharon

Are people suggesting that a link to a publicly available picture, direct from the picture's source, used for non-commercial purposes is a copyright infringement? It's not like he downloaded the picture, placed it on his own site and failed to give credit. Everybody who saw it, saw it directly from the source. And, the link was right there for everyone to see.

Did anyone else notice that Goose and Duck Farm called this a "Bard rock"? If I were them, I would claim some hacker entered their site and placed the picture there, how else could a "Bard rock" make it onto a chicken site?