Buff Orpington boys or girls? UPDATED w/ PICS

So, it doesn't matter that their tail feathers are so different? That is whats throwing me off with the "pullets" I got from MM. Do some pullets feather out slower than others (like MUCH slower)? I thought I had all this figured out, but now I am so confused!
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i think the first one is a rooster
looks at his neck feathers, from here it looks like they are thin strips and shiny (sorta transparent.)
also, the tail is getting those main tail feathers.

the second looks henish
 
i think the first one is a rooster
looks at his neck feathers, from here it looks like they are thin strips and shiny (sorta transparent.)
also, the tail is getting those main tail feathers.

the second looks henish
Hens should be shiny in these areas as well.



Here is a hen to show you what I mean. Not a BO, but it doesn't matter. All hens that are solid coloured (black, red, buff, etc.) have shine to their hackles. It shows health.

It either of those birds is a rooster, I will run around my workplace dressed as a chicken bawking like crazy.
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i want to say a pair but there is no comb development on either but the 2nd does have that 2 toned coloring it looks like
 
I know we want shiny, but im talking transparent, rooster type shiny on the neck feathers. 

These birds do not appear to have that kind of shine yet (and shouldn't) as if they were boys - they are too young to have those feathers just yet. I'm going by comb size, width of legs and the figure just looks like 2 pullets to me.


I agree - I have had dozens of Orpingtons and I am 95% certain both of them are pullets! Hope that is what you want....they are such sweet docile birds. On the flip side iPad a very mean Roo Orpington named King Henry....I never expected him to behave like Henry the VIII but he did...His fate was decided when he met a coyote last winter. :(
 

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