Bumblefoot surgery first time Pg 1 SECOND TIME!!!! PG 3 GRAPHIC

[mljohnson05]

I would not cut her an deeper !!!
I would do either the Epsome salt (which i always have great success with) or antibiotic soaks , the massage the area from outter foot in towards the wound opening...hopefully this will loosen any more that needs to come out !
the pack with ointment, cover with a cotton ball and wrap with vet wrap !

 

[fishnet1971]

had the same thing a few weeks back. exactly. i learned that after i got the plug out just like you, i packed with neosporin and wrapped, left wrapped for 2 day, inspected, and it looked like yours. I still had a hole in her foot so i mushed my fingers around her pad, massaged a little and more stuff came out the hole. I cleaned off repacked with neosporin, rewrapped. I did this for about a week and kept getting pussy stuff out. FINALLY after two weeks it is starting to heal. You will see a difference when it is all gone and starts to heal.

I would get at it asap before it gets any worse. Mine bled pretty good as well. I just kept pressure on it, kept wiping it and it stopped so that I could get more stuff out of it.

 

[GoldenSparrow]

She is not separate from the others, right now she’s free ranging. ;doh She sleeps separated from them in a very small cage, with hay.
I dont want her to get depressed by being alone, and its been raining for the past few day. every things soaked :s2

I havent given her any PennG yet, because I dont have a clean needle. I have a needle that I used for Tylan 50 on a different chicken earlyer in the year.
but should I use that needle, if so how should I clean it? I feel uneasy about useing it, but I cant find another one. :s2 I have a very small feed store her that does not sell much ;doh I dont think a vet will sell me a needle?
I will follow all you say Robin



Oh this is what I took out of her foot

 

[Snowygirl]

wow......

 

[GoldenSparrow]

what size needle did I need again?
I will call the tractor supply

This is what it looked like Today
I dont see anymore stuff in it do you? I think I will leave it. I did get that core out. I dont see anything eles to get?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/53590244@N02/6176173332/sizes/l/in/photostream/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/53590244@N02/6176169498/sizes/l/in/photostream/


Do you see anything else? I think it looks pretty clean

 

[mljohnson05]

It looks much better. I would just continue with soaks every 2 days with epsome salt. and massage the pd to try and get any little stuff out after soaks. then pack and wrap.

 

[GoldenSparrow]

she seem slow today and not eating much

Thats why I think I should give her some PennG, but I only have one needle, and I used it on a sick hen a year ago with Tylan 50. I still have the needle, and I cant find a place that sells needles.

should I just really clean the old one? If so how should I Sterilize it?
I feel uneasy about, but what should I do?

Thank you all

 

[mljohnson05]

do you have a general store or a store where you get prescriptions for humans??
if so go to the pharmacy and ask for insulin needles. they will sell you a box of them for a few dollars !


Best Wishes,
Laura

 

[cocosandy]

Ive had alot of experience with bumblefoot and here's what I think:
it looks great for this stage and its healing.
I would stop the iodine because that is a little strong.
You have to let it heal and just warm soaks and washing with soap should be fine.
I would inject it directly with tylan. I havent found that systemic injections (like, in the breast or thigh) work well unless the chicken has
a secondary infection or the bumbelfoot in in stage 4 or worse.
The staph infection makes a kernel and it has to come out.
I have tried tri neo and it doesnt work...it may work on very early cases but all it does is cause a temporary healing while the kernel is still in there moving along.
The foot will get pus and the kernel will travel...it will compartmentalize and work its way up between the toes (sometimes coming out on top) and also destroying the
tendons and cartridge.
you can allow it to slowly happen if the bird is not acting lame, but it will destroy the bird eventually.
The surgery (and please search out the bumblefoot surgery thread here to see how well you really did) is a very, very bloody affair. The best way to do it, if you can, is to lay the bird on her side on
the kitchen counter with feet under the faucet so you can continuously run water as you need it.
You need to knead and push the thing to break it up and hollow it out agressively (but not so much as you touch the tendons)
The problem is that the infection splits and if there is even a tiny bit of the hard kernel in there it will fester and continue to come back

Expect blood....if youre doing it right it will bleed alot.
either keep papers towels all around it (I do that alot) or wrap her in a towel and use the sink.

Right now, it looks like its healing. I would wrap it with neosporin and wait a few days and then take it out and re-wrap it....you can wash it but dont soak in anything as strong as iodine.
Spray it with bactine (THE best thing for bird injuries...I use i all the time)
and inject it directly with Tylan 50 or the penn.
If it starts to look like the pus is coming back, massage and scrape...see if there is more in there.
I find that by keeping it wrapped and waiting a few days in between the thing starts to work out rather than in....

But dont assume you got it with that one little thing. If you look on my meetup page in the photos I have some pics of a bird's foot that had been let go...someone gave me the bird and she didnt even notice or
know what bumblefoot was. I lost that bird. But it had 3 or 4 huge bumbles...and the light ones are no always the main one...it should be more yellow.
The pus is very hard sometimes...

at this point, your bird looks like her foot is healing...and maybe you got it.
I wouldn't do more than wash it, inject antibiotics as long as its open, and change bandages...
see if it gets red or hard and swollen.

IF she acts sick and is not eating etc...then give her a full course of injections at .5cc (or .6 as you figured) per day for 5-7 days
also try some apple cider vinegar in her water and yogurt etc...make her a mash and give her some eggs scrambled or hard boiled and crushed.

You can get tylan etc...at randall burkey, valley vet, ...or...whats the one with the chicken Dr guy?

I would not use the tri neo because it is very dangerous to YOU....you have to wear protective eye gear and also gloves...its very very caustic.
The penn is fine as long as you don't get the one with "cain" in the name.
Dont use anything with "cain" in it when you're injecting...I find that the neosporin with pain is OK topically on bumblefoot.

I had the misfortune to have a big run of this due to a dead thorn bush that I didnt notice...and so I researched and tried every med over 2+ years.
Its very common as staph is everywhere, but do wear gloves when removing it because you could get staph if you have an opening in your skin.

good luck...you really did a nice job!!

 

[kittycooks]

Goldensparrow, good luck with your bird! You are working very hard.
CocoSandy, thanks for the informative post. I am dealing with bumblefoot too and will switch from the iodine soaks to ebsom salts.

Here are pictures of the first few weeks of my wyandotte hen's recovery from bumblefoot . I am hoping to save my hen too. Please keep posting to share your successes.