Bumblefoot surgery first time Pg 1 SECOND TIME!!!! PG 3 GRAPHIC

[OwensMom]

While I agree with much of what cocosandy, I would keep the wound open and let it heal from the inside out. You can cut strips of gauze and soak in pennG then push that gauze into wound. Bandage foot to keep it clean. The before next soak, remove gauze and soak foot. When you remove gauze you will be cleaning out the wound. I would not leave gauze in any longer than 24 hrs. Keep us posted.

 

[rockmaster]

I sure hope everyting you did works out. I have a rooster with a toe that was injured. He had a hard time walking because of it. I noticed that it was very swollen so I worked on it asap!!!!!!!!!! With tweezers hydrogen peroxide and neosporin and started. I was nervous when it started to bleed. I was very confused because the first time I worked on this I sqeezed the pus out and wrapped the toe with duct tape. The next day I looked again and noticed the yellow like kernel inside. carefully I removed it with the tweezers and applied the peroxide and neosporin. I applied new duct tape and He is a new bird. I will say that his toe is a little larger than the others but he shows no illness of any kind. I think it worked because of that kind of injury and I didn't wait. I have another hen that has a very bad bumble foot to the point that it made her entire foot the top very swollen. She is eating playing and loves the others but I can't bring myself to operate on this precious bird/ All of my 60 chickens free range and have a splendid life. Sometimes we have to come to terms that we did are best loved them and let nature take its course. I like you do not want a chicken to suffer, at this time she is loving her surroundings but when this changes I will have to take her to someone that will take her out of any suffering. Rockmasters momma

 

[cocosandy]

If you dont keep it bandaged with vet wrap while she is out, it will continue to be infected. You can change bandages but it does have to be bandaged.
if you want to give it air, then put her in a clean area with fresh bedding and keep the bedding clean...
Its staph infection and it needs to be covered with vet wrap. Owensmom, have you dealt with bumblefoot? its on the bottom of the foot, so to keep it unbandaged means it will be getting poo and more infection into it.
the yard is full of staph and other infection and any opening in the skin is susceptible...
I would never want to take all this time in soaking and operating only to let it get in poo and such...
just my opinion, but my opinion comes from years of trial and error...unfortunately, Ive dealt with this alot.

any chicken with the huge swellings on the top of the foot might benefit from a tiny incision being made and a massage to get the hard kernels out. I dont think you can get it all so its probably not worth it in the long run to do a full scale cleanout, but she will be walking longer if you do some soaks and see if you can pop anything out with massage or a tiny hole with a needle....it will alleviate her pain and give her a longer life....if you do make a little hole, put bactine and neosporin on it and bandage with vet wrap from petsmart or any local feed store. change ever 3 or 4 days. If you only do a tiny bit in the top of the foot to relieve pressure, you probably can get away with a minimal bandage.
if its huge and coming through between the toes, its probably stage 5 and she is not really treatable anyway, but you can make her time here a little longer and more comfy if you do a little.
good luck.

 

[OwensMom]

No, No, NO cocosandy. I said to keep the foot bandaged. The only point we differ on is keeping the wound open. I believe that packing the wound with saturated gauze will help clean it out when packing is removed. An open bandaged wound will allow leaion to drain, wound needs to heal from inside out in order for staph to be isolated outside of the wound. I have done more wound dressings than i can count. Although I have never dealt with Bunblefoot, I think that the part you are all missing is to keep wound open and bandaged!! Peace

 

[cocosandy]

I inject with tylan 50 and then pack with neosporin...I put gauze over and then vet wrap, which I change every 3-5 days depending on the severity or stage of the thing.
sorry...must have misunderstood.;-)

I am of the opinion that even the air is dirty round here...even though Im in the country...seems like wells are posioned and there are chemicals everywhere...
but chickens are amazing in their ability to fight off infection and how their bodies work. If it wasnt staph then it wouldnt stand a chance. I have a couple of gals who have been living good but slightly hobbled lives with kernels inside for 2 years at least...its a wonder that the infection doesnt take them over, but its just in the foot...

 

[OwensMom]

No problem Sandy. I agree about the water and air. Such a pity. This staph thing is scary. Golden Sparrow do wear gloves because staph has become a dangerous organism and you can become infected. You don't want that.

 

[GoldenSparrow]

Owensmom said

While I agree with much of what cocosandy, I would keep the wound open and let it heal from the inside out. You can cut strips of gauze and soak in pennG then push that gauze into wound. Bandage foot to keep it clean. The before next soak, remove gauze and soak foot. When you remove gauze you will be cleaning out the wound. I would not leave gauze in any longer than 24 hrs. Keep us posted.

I did not soak her foot today. but I will tomarrow.
and you said that I can put some Penng in her foot when I wrap it?
is that ok, even if I give her the PennG injection?
if I did that in the morning, could I put Neosporin in at night?

I gave her another injection. It went well, but I dont think I went deep enough, for I could see the med through her skin!

she seems very good today, a lot better then yesterday.
she ate more then yesterday, but still not enough food.
Oh! and shes not laying eggs and is starting to MOULT!!! there are feathers EVERYWHERE!

Thanks all

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[GoldenSparrow]

Heres a few pics of Goldens foot today.

Before we soaked it today

After we soaked it

There is still a little bit of a hole, but not much

 

[OwensMom]

Quote:
I did not soak her foot today. but I will tomarrow.
and you said that I can put some Penng in her foot when I wrap it?
is that ok, even if I give her the PennG injection?
if I did that in the morning, could I put Neosporin in at night?

I gave her another injection. It went well, but I dont think I went deep enough, for I could see the med through her skin!

she seems very good today, a lot better then yesterday.
she ate more then yesterday, but still not enough food.
Oh! and shes not laying eggs and is starting to MOULT!!! there are feathers EVERYWHERE!

Thanks all

Golden sparrow, The foot looks so much better. Remember that the injection will travel throughout her body while the infusion into the wound will stay right there. So you are fighting the infection on 2 fronts. Yes, I think that you can use PennG as injection and infusion but as injection for only 7 days. Neosporin is ok as well. There wont be a problem using both. Feed her some probiotic or she could have stomach problems from the antibiotics.

 

[GoldenSparrow]

Is there a special type of probiotics for birds, or will anyone do?