California - Northern

[capayvalleychick]

I called Western Feed a while back, after reading about the King Feed being discussed on another thread. I asked them to get some All Purpose Flock Pellets. They said they would call me and they never did.
The thing that concerns me in many of their feeds is lima beans. Lima beans have anti nutritional factors. Read the research on feeding them to poultry and tell me what you think.

Kim

 

[ronott1]

Hi Kim,

I did a quick check on anti nutrients an all legumes are listed, including Soy Beans.

b) Protein sources
I. Grain legumes
Legume plants and seeds (grains) are higher in protein than other plants. Many grain legumes contain antinutrients such as trypsin inhibitors, tannins, saponins, alkaloids, and antivitamins that can be removed by heating or processing. Over-heating also lowers the nutritional value.


Modesto Mills non soy has peas in it--quite a lot of them. I will have to look into exactly what anti nutrient means, but since soy beans are the main source of protein in nearly all livestock feeds, they must heat or process the Legumes to remove the anti nutrient effect. It's probably why they ad vitamins to the feed?

This site has a section that lists the safe percentages of the different legumes:

http://www.canadianpoultry.ca/chapter_ii.htm

Anti nutrient is interesting. Did you know that Flax seed contains Cynanide, and that eating too much can poison you. Of course that doesn't happen because we have to eat a lot of it.

There are a lot of BYC's using King feed on the Bay Area Forum. I will ask them what they know about anti-nutrients.

Thanks for letting me know about this

I called Western Feed a while back, after reading about the King Feed being discussed on another thread. I asked them to get some All Purpose Flock Pellets. They said they would call me and they never did.
The thing that concerns me in many of their feeds is lima beans. Lima beans have anti nutritional factors. Read the research on feeding them to poultry and tell me what you think.

Kim

 

[capayvalleychick]

Hi Kim,

I did a quick check on anti nutrients an all legumes are listed, including Soy Beans.


b) Protein sources
I. Grain legumes
Legume plants and seeds (grains) are higher in protein than other plants. Many grain legumes contain antinutrients such as trypsin inhibitors, tannins, saponins, alkaloids, and antivitamins that can be removed by heating or processing. Over-heating also lowers the nutritional value.

Modesto Mills non soy has peas in it--quite a lot of them. I will have to look into exactly what anti nutrient means, but since soy beans are the main source of protein in nearly all livestock feeds, they must heat or process the Legumes to remove the anti nutrient effect. It's probably why they ad vitamins to the feed?

This site has a section that lists the safe percentages of the different legumes:

http://www.canadianpoultry.ca/chapter_ii.htm

Anti nutrient is interesting. Did you know that Flax seed contains Cynanide, and that eating too much can poison you. Of course that doesn't happen because we have to eat a lot of it.

There are a lot of BYC's using King feed on the Bay Area Forum. I will ask them what they know about anti-nutrients.

Thanks for letting me know about this

Soybeans are always processed before being added to feed, due to the ANFs. I wonder about the limas, whether they are cooked/heat treated? The King feed just says ground, which I don't believe affects the ANFs.
Thanks for that link. The part that gives the maximum recommended amounts of each item is of interest. In many of the soy free feeds it seems that they have to add more than the max recommended to make up the protein after removing the soy.
Of course many foods are toxic if consumed in larger quantities than one would normally eat. What concerns me in this case is if a ingredient with high amounts of ANFs is being used as the primary protein source, in larger amounts than what is recommended.
I get a little obsessive about food/feed sometimes, sorry.

Kim

 

[ronott1]

Soybeans are always processed before being added to feed, due to the ANFs. I wonder about the limas, whether they are cooked/heat treated? The King feed just says ground, which I don't believe affects the ANFs.
Thanks for that link. The part that gives the maximum recommended amounts of each item is of interest. In many of the soy free feeds it seems that they have to add more than the max recommended to make up the protein after removing the soy.
Of course many foods are toxic if consumed in larger quantities than one would normally eat. What concerns me in this case is if a ingredient with high amounts of ANFs is being used as the primary protein source, in larger amounts than what is recommended.
I get a little obsessive about food/feed sometimes, sorry.

Kim

It's ok about caring about what we eat and feed our animals. Using diet and Niacin I got my triglycerides down to the 70s from the high 400's, without statins.

Still checking out what they do with the lima beans in king Brand feed. Peletizing also heats the fee, so maybe that cuts down on the anti-nutrents? Since the Cascade layer feed has fish in it, it does not have to have too much legumes in it.

 

[sewandgrow]

I am still struggling with not getting my notices about my subscriptions so am way behind & trying to catch up.
I am systematically going to each subscription on my list, reading all new posts, then putting it in my favorite places for future quick reference.

Ron, thanks for the tips on improving this. I do not log off so that may be my problem.

Kim, after all the SIlver Dorkings I tried to hatch last season I ended up with just one decent pair. I have two pullets that look to be Silver Dorkings but no 5th toe & I won't use them. I will keep this pair & see how they do. I have been paring down my numbers & am happy with my slow progress. Having said that I have eggs in the incubators......LOL. I will do much smaller numbers this year. Some replacement birds for myself & some to sell of all the breeds I have. My goal is 4 or 5 hens to a rooster of the breeds I decide to keep long term. I will still have a colorful egg basket with the 3 varieties of Marans, the 3 varieties of the Ameraucanas, assorted light brown/beige egg layers & my 2 breeds that lay a white egg...................LOL.
I got my first egg from my Lavender Ameraucanas the day before yesterday. It was a long wait...........
I actually will be selling off some of my BCMs. I just got Golden Cuckoo chicks from Cheryl that she got from Rockingpaints eggs & Kirstie gave me eggs from her's that are in the incubator now & due to hatch on the 21st. So I have BCM & Blue Copper Marans laying, Wheaten Marans laying & baby Golden Cuckoo Marans to raise to add next Spring. I am excited already.....LOL

 

[cherylcohen]

I too am not getting all my notifications, I've tried logging off etc as well. This stinks

At any rate, Karen you are now officially the queen of marans, very exciting!

just had another 15 mille fleur leghorns hatch last night and the blue laced barnevelders are starting to pip!!

 

[PetRock]

I'm only getting notifications for one thread that I've subscribed to. It's frustrating. I just leave my subscription page up so I can see when there are new posts.

 

[HighNDryFarm]

I just use the "I've posted" drop down list and everything is there. I like it better then my email box filling up with notifications.
Have you guys tried that? It's easy peasy!

 

[capayvalleychick]

I don't know how you all handle having so many different breeds of chickens. I have a hard time just managing two.
Karen, are you planning to breed Dorkings? The fifth toe is dominant, it's one of the easier fixes with the breed.

Kim

 

[ronott1]

Hi to the Northern CA folks!

I hope all is well with all of you.

Karen and Kim(Capay Valley)

I made contact with a Dorking Breeder in the Desert of ca. She has me on her list to get hatching eggs in the Fall. I am hoping we can get a shot of different genetics to get these guys hatching better.

http://www.dorkingchickensforsale.com/

I don't know how you all handle having so many different breeds of chickens. I have a hard time just managing two.
Karen, are you planning to breed Dorkings? The fifth toe is dominant, it's one of the easier fixes with the breed.

Kim