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Here are the little ones not pooping in it. When they are hungry they go right inside it.


Here are the big girls eating out of it.



It is not the prettiest feeder, but it works.

And here is a picture of one of my creamies. I'm betting it has one silked gene and lays a blue egg. Neither one has a spot on their head, so they are either not auto sexing, or both girls I think. I'd bet not auto :D.

( I forgot to mention also that acidic foods are more welcoming to female sperms! perhaps this will help with the rooster invasion! Someone on the fermented feed thread mentioned that, but since its mostly meat birds not a lot of people have posted anecdotal results))
Ahhh...now it makes sense! I love repurposing things! Is that your fermented feed in there? I have been using a red feed bucket to ferment the feed and then I have an assortment of dog dishes that I use for them to eat out of.
 
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Chiquita neat feeding info. I want to try a fodder system during the summer when green grass is in short supply. Fermenting sounds interesting too.
But, acid feeds won't change you rooster ratio. In chickens, The hen/female determines the sex of the embryo at ovulation. The rooster does not effect the sex of the chick.

Trisha
But maybe the acidic feed eaten by the hens will up the amount of female offspring?! An acidic environment favors female sperm in humans. Back in the 50's and 60's, there was a birth control method that used vinegar. My mother's doctor recommended it and she subsequently gave birth to 3 girls! She blamed the lack of boys on my dad and I never had the heart to tell her that it was probably because of that old doctor's advice!
 
Thanks for the ideas about soundproofing. We're legal for roosters, but I don't want to drive the neighbors (or my hubby) nutso if I decide to get one. Actually, I want to see if the neighbors will try putting some egg cartons around their hot tub pump, which is incredibly loud.

I see you're from Penngrove. We're very close, just up in Santa Rosa. Welcome to the thread. What kind of chickens do you have?

Good Evening Wishing 4 Wings,

Thank you for your welcome note and how exciting it is to know that there are fellow chicken lovers who live close by. It is quite nice to be part of a friendly thread. It is not always easy to be the new member of an established group.
At the moment, we have 2 mature, and 4 young chickens. The 4 pullets were a surprise birthday gift from a friend of mine.
My adult girls are; Penny, a 6 yrs. old Australorp, and Henny, 5 yrs. old Black Copper Marans. Two of the surprise pullets are Rhode Island Red, and the remaining two are a complete mystery as to which breed they are. My friend lost the paper which the name of the breeds were written on. I was able to identify the RIR,, because we had several of them in the past. I was thinking about posting their photos with the hopes of identifying the breeds. Well, regardless, all are very loved and adds joy into our life.
Penny and Henny, were and still are quite upset about the new additions; but, in good time, hopefully they will be happy about them as well..

Lual
 
Thanks for the ideas about soundproofing. We're legal for roosters, but I don't want to drive the neighbors (or my hubby) nutso if I decide to get one. Actually, I want to see if the neighbors will try putting some egg cartons around their hot tub pump, which is incredibly loud.

I see you're from Penngrove. We're very close, just up in Santa Rosa. Welcome to the thread. What kind of chickens do you have?

Good Evening Wishing 4 Wings,

Thank you for your welcome note and how exciting it is to know that there are fellow chicken lovers who live close by. It is quite nice to be part of a friendly thread. It is not always easy to be the new member of an established group.
At the moment, we have 2 mature, and 4 young chickens. The 4 pullets were a surprise birthday gift from a friend of mine.
My adult girls are; Penny, a 6 yrs. old Australorp, and Henny, 5 yrs. old Black Copper Marans. Two of the surprise pullets are Rhode Island Red, and the remaining two are a complete mystery as to which breed they are. My friend lost the paper which the name of the breeds were written on. I was able to identify the RIR,, because we had several of them in the past. I was thinking about posting their photos with the hopes of identifying the breeds. Well, regardless, all are very loved and adds joy into our life.
Penny and Henny, were and still are quite upset about the new additions; but, in good time, hopefully they will be happy about them as well..

Lual

If you can post a pic on here I'm sure the mystery will be solved. Besides that, we love pictures!
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Most of my 11 girls will all be a year old in March, and they are all pets. I have 10 different breeds
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and we enjoy them so much. Even my boys. My eldest just discovered today that some will chase after a red laser the way a cat does. Good exercise!
 
Chiquita neat feeding info. I want to try a fodder system during the summer when green grass is in short supply. Fermenting sounds interesting too.
But, acid feeds won't change you rooster ratio. In chickens, The hen/female determines the sex of the embryo at ovulation. The rooster does not effect the sex of the chick.

Trisha
ack! I read that and was responding completely incorrectly. But I wonder if it is still the same, that the ova's that make it down would be more likely to be one sex over another due to the acidity of the environment? Or is it all over once the eggs are formed when she is an egg herself? ( I even knew it was the hen, but still was applying this)

Now I'm curious.
 
Chiqita-- great idea!! I'm sure some of my chickens would use the feeder respectfully... others (like my Leghorns) would walk right in and scratch the feed out...or maybe use it as a laying box LOL.
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Ahh, but does big ol bird cut your feed bill??

The fermenting part was so easy its not funny. We did the bucket system. Add feed, ( started with just a little I read the biggest issue with fermented feed is not fermenting more then they will eat) add braggs, add water, cover and stir a few times, profit. We did it Sunday, it was ready to go today.

Of course I had to leave at 6 today so it didn't go out as breakfast de jour.

Petrock, we started out with organic flock raiser to try it out, but I got a lot of organic pellets from a guy who overbought in Sacramento yesterday and will switch to that. I know flock raiser has soy, not sure about the other one, was a bit of a language barrier when we got it, but clearly he thought he knew what he was talking about, lol. We were doing fodder as well, and are using wheat for that. We accidentally fermented the bottom of the wheatgrass ( Mario did 6-8 inches of seed, not 6-8 seeds high ) and we were getting "rid" of it by throwing it over the fence to decompose until the birds went NUTS for it. We use whole wheat as a scratch grain sometimes and they like that, but they were bonkers for this. Stuffing managed to get into the pail where it was stored and ate 1/2 of it before she managed to knock it over and everyone got involved. She was running around yelling "NONO MINE!!" in Turkey but it was no use.

SO right now the fodder and fermented grain is more of a treat, is it safe to offer up to 25% of the diet? If it has 10% more protein it should be in the safe range, I'd guess...

The idea was to be able to get the benefits of feeding everyone higher protein but still get all the same food. Not need 17%, 20%, 28% etc... The baby quail especially need to have a high protein food so we were getting pheasant feed for them and turkeys, and it is a fair bit more then other foods. Usually about 3-5 a bag more. And If I put it out where the turkeys can get it, the hens eat it too, and it goes EVERYWHERE.... and you bag is gone and the ground smells because there is food everywhere.

So fermented feed that is higher then 14% should have enough protein for everyone, and 20% should not be too high for anyone. The only thing I am worried about is no medicated started and we get cocci here on a regular basis, so I will have to watch closer and be ready with the sulfed. But I'm hoping this eliminates poopy butt so it could be an even trade anyway. That is the hardest thing for me to combat.

My other exciting find last week was tidy cat feeders! We have been saving these buckets for years, and it is a fantastic way to keep chicks from scattering the feed. And I am getting less poo . If you perch on it you cant poop in it, like you can on any other feeder. My girls are poo perches extraordinaire. The little chicks go right inside and eat, and the big girls and turkeys just put their head in ( the top folds down so there is a ramp the big girls don't like to stand on) Then you just pick it up to move it or get it out of the rain, etc. Put it on its side, lid open with the part that is attached on the bottom. You have inches to put food in, so they can scratch in it and not throw it out of the feeder.

It isn't perfect for older girls, but it has really helped with the 1/2 grown chicks.
Yes, one of claimed benefits is "better feed conversion"

I am not trying to say bad things about ff. I just know myself and I need to follow KISS(Keep it Simple..). I would never keep up with work, house duties and fermenting feed.

I am happy that others are more on the ball than me. You all ROCK!
 
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King feed says to add calcium free choice to their layer, so It must be lower in calcium.

Aveca posted a rather long post about soy and one of the things that caught my eye was it causing people to hatch too many roos. phytoestrogen and etc. Mine get Sea kelp along with the good feed and BOB. I also give them something green each day.
 
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I posted earlier about fermenting soy. It gets rid of the estrogen effect. What they are probably seeing is not from the acidic environment(I have a suspicion that acidity is part of a hoax to sell equipment that makes water acidic) but from making soy beans healthy and not bad.

I bet you start hatching more pullets now!
 
King feed says to add calcium free choice to their layer, so It must be lower in calcium.

Aveca posted a rather long post about soy and one of the things that caught my eye was it causing people to hatch too many roos. phytoestrogen and etc. Mine get Sea kelp along with the good feed and BOB. I also give them something green each day.
Interesting. The King natural layer pellets are lower in calcium than the organic layer pellets. Here are the percents & ingredients from their product tags:


NATURAL LAYER PELLETS
WITH ADDED VITAMINS & MINERALS
______________________________________________________________________________________
GUARANTEED ANALYSIS
Crude Protein, not less than..........…………………………...................16.0%
Crude Fat, not less than...............................…………………………......4.0%
Crude Fiber, not more than....................……………………………..........6.0%
Calcium, not less than............................……………………………..........2.8%
Calcium, not more than...........................…………………………….........3.4%
Phosphorus, not less than.......................……………………………........0.5%
Sodium, not more than............................……………………………..........0.3%
Lysine, not less than..……………………………………………………….. 0.7%
Methionine & Cystine, not less than………………………….……….......0.5%
Added Selenium, not less than................………………………........0.26 PPM
Vitamin A, not less than…………..………………………...…………4000 IU/LB
Vitamin D, not less than…………………………………..……………900 U/LB
Vitamin E, not less than..................……………..…………....…………25 IU/LB
Metabolizable Energy, not less than......…………………....….1250 KCAL/LB
____________________________________________________
INGREDIENTS
Ground Corn, Ground Wheat, Distillers Dried Grains with Solubles, Dehulled Soybean Meal, Rice Bran, Ground
Lima Beans, Calcium Carbonate, Wheat Millrun, Diatomaceous Earth, Salt, Yeast Culture, Vitamin E
Supplement, Marigold Petal Extract, Dried Brewers Yeast & Dried Saccharomyces Fermentation Solubles
(source of Mannan Oligosaccharides), Direct Fed Microorganisms (Heat Stable cultures of Lactobacillus
acidophilus, L. casei, Bifido bacterium thermophilum, Enterococcus faecium, Aspergillus Oryzae), Hydrolyzed
Yeast, Hydrated Calcium-Sodium Aluminosilicate, Zinc-Methionine Complex, Copper-Lysine Complex,
Manganese-Methionine Complex, Cobalt Glucoheptonate,Aspergillus niger Fermentation Product, Selenium
Yeast, Garlic Extract, Anise Extract, Horseradish, Juniper Extract, Chinese Cassia Bark Extract, Ginger
Extract, Natural Flavoring, Mixed Tocopherols, Rosemary Extract, Ascorbic Acid & Citric Acid, Choline
Chloride, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite, Calcium Pantothenate,
Riboflavin Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Thiamine Hydrochloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, D-Biotin, Folic
Acid, Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Manganese Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate Monohydrate, Tribasic
Copper Chloride, Ethylene Diamine Dihydroiodide, Sodium Selenite.

KING BRAND
ORGANIC POULTRY
LAYER PELLETS
______________________________________________________________________________________
GUARANTEED ANALYSIS
Crude Protein, not less than..........…………………………...................17.0%
Lysine, not more than…………………………………………………..……0.7%
Methionine, not less than……………………………………………………0.3%
Crude Fat, not less than................................…………………………......2.5%
Crude Fiber, not more than......................……………………………........5.0%
Ash, not more than………………………………..…………………………15.0%
Calcium, not less than..............................……………………………........3.5%
Calcium, not more than.............................…………………………….......4.0%
Phosphorus, not less than...........................……………………………....0.5%
Sodium, not more than..............................……………………………......0.3%
_________________________________________________________________________________
INGREDIENTS
Organic Corn, Organic Soybean Meal, Organic Wheat, Ground Limestone, Organic Flaxseed, Monocalcium &
Dicalcium Phosphate, Diatomaceous Earth, Mineral Sea Salt (Redmond), DL Methionine, Hydrolyzed Yeast,
Brewers Dried Yeast, Calcium Carbonate, Organic Garlic Granules, Organic Horseradish Powder, Organic Star
Anise Oil, Organic Juniper Berry Oil, Reed Sedge Peat, Calcium Bentonite, Choline Chloride, Manganese
Oxide, Niacin Supplement, Zinc Oxide, Vitamin E Supplement, Ferrous Sulfate, D-Calcium Pantothenate,
Vitamin A Supplement, D-Biotin, Riboflavin Supplement, Tribasic Copper Chloride, Vitamin B-12 Supplement,
Vitamin D3 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Menadione Dimethyl Pyrimidinol Bisulfate (Source of
Vitamin K activity), Ethylene Diamine Dihydroiodide, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Sodium Selenite.
 

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