CALIFORNIA The Whole State thread

[wolftracks]

Thanks for the heads up Walt, I will pinion them for sure. I hate aggressive animals but these will be my son's thing & they go way out back in the pasture behine the chicken pens no where where I will ever be going. Let him fight them off. He has been building pens for the Shamos today & has 2 separate ones since you said they can't be housed together. I haven't hear back from Suzann yet but Aaron will be ready when she get in touch with me.

Kim C, I like the gray Toulouse geese. I have had them before & they were not aggressive to me niether were my Embdens but the Chinese & Africans were &even the Sebastapools were alittle aggressive. I think If I got geese again for myself they would be the Embden. I feel inlove with thier big blue eyes. I need to call Craig Russel again too to see how thigs are progressing. Fall will be here before we know it.

Wolftracks,
Good for you getting so much done. I inch along like a slug getting little bits done here & there. I sold a cockerel & 5 pullets yesterday to a friend of Olivias Portuguese parents...poor Olivia said "I wish I was full blooded Portuguese likeAmanda".....LOL.My Blonde haired, blue eyed grand daughter looks more Swede than Portuguese. Her Portuguese is getting squeezed out...LOL I sold them a Light Sussex cockerel beuase they loved the look of mine, a L/S pullet, a Lavender AM pullet, a Splash Marans pullet & a mystery that I think might be a clean faced OE. They wanted pretty chickens & colorful eggs.I had no white egg layers big enough to go with those guys. Jules gave me Andalusian eggs that I hatched for future white egg layers when I discovered I had nothing that laid a white egg at all. She said hers are fantastic egg layers too all blues no blacks.

I have some blue/Black Silkie chicks & sold a few yesterday to a man & his son that drove down from Ripon. I should reallybget rid of the Silkies. They are the only bantam breed I have but they are just too cut.....LOL

I keep saying that about the bantams too. I have a trio of Silkies that I keep saying are going and they they give me that "oh MOM I love you look." I can't do it. Lowrider is my only BTB Jap and I can't get another to hatch from any sources. The breeder had to give up all of her birds (BYCer) and his parents were shown many times and always won. She loved the pics of him and besides, he thinks he's this big huge thing and wonders the yard like he owns it. He's not going anywhere. My Mottled Japs have become crazed. Don't know why, but they make noise when we try and hold them and that little roo tries to flog me in the face. I almost hope this chick I hatched out is a roo, just to be able to toss him in the roo pen and say "You should have been a good boy!? Then I have the OEGBs and none the right colors, so they will just produce mixed. My little Favs are just too sweet except when I try to coop Baby with them, then the hen gets all ruffled and she's hurt her before, so she wonders with Lowrider. Plus we go out back and she's right there to be picked up and carried. She really is a baby. LOL Then there's the little Modern Games. I just love looking at those goofy looking things. And lastly I still have little Lav AMs from you. I heard someone say they were looking for some when I was at your house, but didn't dawn on me to think of rehoming them. I do love them though. My little hen is sooo cute, but the little roos just haven't been held much. One is getting a little better when I can caught him, but the other one, as pretty as he is just doesn't want to be bothered. Figures he's probably the better of the 2.

I know what Olivia is going through. I don't look like I belong with any of my family. My sisters and brothers on my mom's side's dad was German, Dutch and Irish and on my dad's side ther mom was English. And then if you talk cousins I look a little like some, but none of my brothers and sisters look like them at all. My daughter Veronica get's asked about why she has her last name and if she's divorced all the time. Noooo...Her dad is from Mexico and lives there now and has blond hair and green eyes and now he even has a thick accent. LOL It wasn't that thick when we were teenagers.

OK I keep getting calls and walking away from this, so I should post before I'm completely out of the conversation.

 

[wolftracks]

I'm sure you guys are sick of me posting pics of my kid with birds. Sorry!
He is JR vet Paige giving Sir Giles a clean bill of health. It must be fun having real chickens, ducks and geese to play pretend vet.
I feel so blessed every day that we are able to give our kids these experiences.
On a side note Sir Giles is the sweetest rooster ever. He lets you walk right up to him and pet him. He will let the kids pick him up and play with him. Such a sweet boy. He let Paige inspect him for 10 min while she fussed over him being so patient.

Then Abby my little diva

Sebastian! He is doing great!

You kidding? We love pics! Your girls are always so cute and they are always doing something with the birds. They are adorable, so post away!

 

[Chooklet]

Post it here and I'll add it

OK - please change my breed listing & what I have available to the following:

Swedish Olandsk Dwarfs - available now: hatching eggs, pullets, cockerels
Bantam Calico/MF Cochin (project) - available now: pullets, cockerels; available in the spring - hatching eggs
Black Mottled Japanese Bantams - available now: pullets, cockerels
Bantam Cochins - mixed color varieties - available now: pullets, cockerels, a few older hens and one mf/barred rooster (most of these are from a crele project that I am not going to continue).

Of course if anyone is interested in any of these breeds/varieties, please send me a pm. Now that the weather is starting to cool down a bit I can ship birds again, and I love meeting people in interesting locations so am willing to drive a reasonable distance for a hand-off.

Thanks for keeping this going Kim!

 

[Chooklet]

I'm sure you guys are sick of me posting pics of my kid with birds. Sorry!
He is JR vet Paige giving Sir Giles a clean bill of health. It must be fun having real chickens, ducks and geese to play pretend vet.
I feel so blessed every day that we are able to give our kids these experiences.
On a side note Sir Giles is the sweetest rooster ever. He lets you walk right up to him and pet him. He will let the kids pick him up and play with him. Such a sweet boy. He let Paige inspect him for 10 min while she fussed over him being so patient.

Then Abby my little diva

Sebastian! He is doing great!

These are so adorable! You should send some in to Backyard Poultry magazine - I'll bet they would love to publish some of the pics of your girls with the birds!

Cheryl will be thrilled to see how well Sir Giles is behaving. He was always just the nicest rooster for her - he couldn't have ended up with a better family.

 

[Hangtown Farms]

Post it here and I'll add it

Ok what I got as well

Icelandic's
Crele Penedesenca ( should be laying in a few months
White Empordanesa ( coming soon to a breeder near you)
Thanks Jason

 

[mycutekitties]

These are so adorable!  You should send some in to Backyard Poultry magazine - I'll bet they would love to publish some of the pics of your girls with the birds!  

Cheryl will be thrilled to see how well Sir Giles is behaving.  He was always just the nicest rooster for her - he couldn't have ended up with a better family.  

I think because she worked with him so much as a young bird is why he is so gentle. He would be great in a petting zoo. I planning on bringing him to the girls school on AGG day.

 

[debs_flock]

I've entered Earlene my showgirl into a cute pet contest. The prize is a $100 gift card at a local feed store (think sacks of chicken feed, yay!).

Please come and vote for her....

http://www.kfbk.com/pages/critters.html

Earlene


Thanks!

Deb

 

[SunnyDawn]

The page works great!

Ron

Ditto.

Here is a blog by Dr. Mercola about this Canadian Egg stusy:


By Dr. Mercola

Recently, news headlines were ablaze with startling information that eggs are nearly as bad for your arteries as cigarettes. After surveying more than 1,200 seniors, the researchers concluded that eating egg yolks on a regular basis is approximately two-thirds as bad as smoking with regards to the build-up of arterial plaque.
That's an incredible claim―especially once you know the rest of the story, as Paul Harvey used to say.
The rest of the story is this: the "study" is based on interviews of stroke patients and their recollection of egg intake and admission of smoking history.
The authors do acknowledge that the results are weak because they're dependent on the patients' self-reporting, memory, and honesty. They also say the finding that people with heart disease shouldn't consume eggs is just a hypothesis and should be tested further. That hasn't stopped the conventional media from running with it though, without any further scrutiny.​

Latest Attack on Eggs Fraught with Conflicts of Interest

First of all, the study was funded by the Heart & Stroke Foundation of Ontario, and the Heart & Stroke Foundation of Canada. Although these are two different entities, they use the same donors list in their annual reports, and they are both heavily funded by Big Pharma—to the tune of AT LEAST $7 million a year for heart and stroke recovery, and $4.4 million for the Research Center's Heart & Stroke Spark Together for Healthy Kids

project.
A number of "studies" that have come out of the Research Center support very aggressive drug treatment of stroke and heart attack patients, including this one, entitled "Treating Arteries Instead of Risk Factors," in which the authors actually advocate skipping the risk factors altogether and just aggressively treating with pharmaceuticals. The study says they:

"... ensured that patients with vascular disease were using an angiotensin-converting enzyme inhibitor. For those not able to use angiotensin-converting enzyme inhibitors because of cough or angioedema, we ensured that they were using an angiotensin receptor blocker, unless they had contraindications to these classes of drugs."​

Next, let's look at the study authors. Two of the three researchers in question, have declared interests in statins. David Spence and Jean Davignon have received honoraria and speaker's fees from several pharmaceutical companies manufacturing lipid-lowering drugs. Now do you think the companies that make statins might have a vested interest in getting you to be afraid of eggs and cholesterol? Of course they do.
The third researcher, David Jenkins, helped create the vegan "Portfolio Diet," which only allows egg substitutes and then only sparingly.
So what's the bottom line when you look at who funded the study and who the authors were? They all have heavy involvement with, and funding from, pharmaceutical companies, so how can you expect anything but massive conflict of interest? With this background information you could EASILY predict the outcome of the study well before it even began.​

Shoddy Hypothesis Ignores Already Established Science

There is a major misconception that you must avoid foods like eggs and saturated fat to protect your heart. While it's true that fats from animal sources contain cholesterol, this is not necessarily something that will harm you. Cholesterol is in every cell in your body, where it helps to produce cell membranes, hormones, vitamin D and bile acids that help you to digest fat. Cholesterol also helps in the formation of memories and is vital for your neurological function.
Besides asking seniors to recollect their past egg consumption with any amount of accuracy, there are other major problems with this study. Mark Sisson posted a humorous and accurate take on it on his blog, stating:

"Those who ate the most eggs also smoked the most and were the most diabetic. To their credit, the authors tried to control for those factors, plus several others. Although they tried to control for sex, blood lipids, blood pressure, smoking, body weight index, and presence of diabetes, the study's authors didn't – couldn't – account for all potentially confounding variables. In their own words, 'more research should be done to take in possible confounders such as exercise and waist circumference.'
Hmm. 'Possible' confounders, eh?

• Exercise reduces inflammatory markers of atherosclerosis
• Exercise even reduces markers of atherosclerosis in pre-pubertal obese children!
• Exercise reduces thickness of the carotid arterial wall

It doesn't get much clearer than that. Exercise is a massively confounding variable that the authors failed to take into account.
What about waist circumference?

• A high waist circumference predicts atherosclerosis of the carotid artery.

Or how about stress, which also wasn't considered?

• Perceived daily psychological demands – the amount of crap you perceive to be heaped on your plate – are associated with progression of carotid arterial plaque.

Yeah, it's not like the size of a person's waist, whether or not they move of their own volition or sit in an easy chair all day, and how much stress they endure have any impact on their risk of developing atherosclerosis. Those things may be linked, and I'm sure the authors would have loved to include them in their analysis, but there just wasn't enough space on the questionnaire. Besides, it's not like a little physical activity and mediation could even undo the damage wrought by 4.68 sinful egg yolks per week. Why, that's nearly a half dozen!" [Emphasis mine]​

Study's Data Show Egg Consumption Actually Promotes Health

Another interesting analysis has been made by Ned Kock, who specializes in nonlinear variance-based structural equation modeling. Using a model to test for the "moderating effect," he demonstrates how the egg consumption data from the featured study actually shows that egg consumption promotes health.
By looking into the effect that the number of eggs consumed per week had on the association between LDL cholesterol and plaque formation, the data shows that the highest amount of plaque is associated with the lowest LDL cholesterol levels... This is interesting, to say the least, since egg yolks are "supposed to" raise your LDL (bad) cholesterol levels thereby causing plaque buildup.
He writes:

"What is happening here? Maybe egg consumption above a certain level shifts the size of the LDL particles from small to large, making them harmless. (Saturated fat consumption, in the context of a nutritious diet in lean individuals, seems to have a similar effect.) Maybe eggs contain nutrients that promote overall health, leading LDL particles to "behave" and do what they are supposed to do. Maybe it is a combination of these and other effects."​

Other Research has Found No Link Between Eggs and Heart Disease

One of the curious features of this study was the singling out of eggs without paying any attention to other foods. What about trans fat consumption, for example, which is now widely known to increase cardiovascular health risks? Or processed sugars and grains?
Additionally, while the subjects were reportedly asked about medications, drug use was not evaluated to see if there were any correlations between drugs and increased risk of arterial plaque build-up. After all, the subjects were all stroke patients, and are therefore likely to be on statins. Statins, we now know, are associated with an increased risk of diabetes, and heart disease is the number one killer of diabetics. So is the increased plaque build-up really caused by egg consumption, or is it related to drug-induced diabetes?
In a previous paper, the researchers even point out a study showing that participants who developed diabetes during the course of the study doubled their risk of heart disease with regular egg consumption, while egg consumption had no impact on heart disease risk in non-diabetics. Overall, the idea that eggs are unhealthy is a complete myth, one that's easily debunked if you look at the evidence.
For example, previous studies have found that:

• Consumption of more than 6 eggs per week does not increase the risk of stroke and ischemic stroke
• Eating two eggs a day does not adversely affect endothelial function (an aggregate measure of cardiac risk) in healthy adults, supporting the view that dietary cholesterol may be less detrimental to cardiovascular health than previously thought
• Proteins in cooked eggs are converted by gastrointestinal enzymes, producing peptides that act as ACE inhibitors (common prescription medications for lowering blood pressure)
• A survey of South Carolina adults found no correlation of blood cholesterol levels with "bad" dietary habits, such as use of red meat, animal fats, fried foods, butter, eggs, whole milk, bacon, sausage and cheese

GREAT article!!! Thanks for posting a sane response to this garbage "research" finding.

My son came in with goose eggs from a friend's Egyptian Geese & wanted me to try hatching them. His friend's Dad keep a flock of them on the perimeter of his country property as watchdogs to keep the teensgers from jumping the fence & having booze &??? parties iut in his pasture where he can't see them. I tried puting them in the Brinsea but they wouldn't fit in the turning shelves so I fired up the external Hovabator to give them a shot. They are so ugly to me but Aaron said the pair of unner ducks & one crippled Canadian goose are not able to keep up with the grass in their pssture area so we need something else back there.....LOL

Good luck!

Never get tired of those sweet faces!

I agree! I love pics in general and your pics are always great!

I've entered Earlene my showgirl into a cute pet contest. The prize is a $100 gift card at a local feed store (think sacks of chicken feed, yay!).

Please come and vote for her....

http://www.kfbk.com/pages/critters.html

Earlene


Thanks!

Deb

What a cutie! If my connection will let me get on the site I will vote for her.

 

[sbucciarel]

I'm sure you guys are sick of me posting pics of my kid with birds. Sorry! He is JR vet Paige giving Sir Giles a clean bill of health. It must be fun having real chickens, ducks and geese to play pretend vet. I feel so blessed every day that we are able to give our kids these experiences. On a side note Sir Giles is the sweetest rooster ever. He lets you walk right up to him and pet him. He will let the kids pick him up and play with him. Such a sweet boy. He let Paige inspect him for 10 min while she fussed over him being so patient. Then Abby my little diva Sebastian! He is doing great!

I love to see the photos of your kids enjoying the birds. They're all so pretty, kids and birds

 

[mycutekitties]

I've entered Earlene my showgirl into a cute pet contest. The prize is a $100 gift card at a local feed store (think sacks of chicken feed, yay!).

Please come and vote for her....

http://www.kfbk.com/pages/critters.html

Earlene


Thanks!

Deb

Voted!!!