Can gmo come out of chickens

[sawilliams]

http://www.aeb.org/food-manufacture...s/98-cwhite-papers/512-real-eggs-are-gmo-free
This is fascinating, I had no idea. so is it pointless to pay big bucks for organic?? is it a marketing ploy?

Interesting read. As to if outs pointless to pay extra for orgainic... yes and no. Organic feed cost more, and buying from a farmer or neighbor will likely cost more for that reason. Does it matter? Maybe but not really. The big difference is the taste. Crack a ordinary egg an organic egg and a healthy back yard hen egg side by side they look different they taste different. True flock raised hens with adequate space and quality feed will have better tasting eggs. Often times even organic, free range and cage free bulk production still provide less then quality fed and often time less then quality living space. Example free range simple means space to roam out side. this has nothing to do with the amount of space the number of chickens or if a single one actually goes out side.

So yes in theory in the store you are paying for a label, an idea. But if your buying from a caring backyard flock owner you are paying for time and love too

 

[annagoodspeed]

There are many factors to consider when dealing with gmos. Plants are modified with different implants. GMO corn is modified for use with Bt, which is an organically approved pesticide for corn borers and other worms (Note, I am not saying that gmo corn modified with Bt is considered organic, just the bacteria Bt, which is used for cabbage worms etc.) , while soy is modified to be glyphosate resistant, allowing it to be sprayed repeatedly while growing.The gmo dna might not pass through into the eggs, but glyphosate does persist and is found in animals fed it.
https://www.omicsonline.org/open-ac...ls-and-humans-2161-0525.1000210.php?aid=23853
Glyphosate is also currently being used on a lot of grain crops like wheat for drydown, which is spraying the crop when it is close to harvest in order that it all dies and dries evenly.
Glyphosate is patented as an antibiotic, and so it is capable if wreaking havoc on gut bacteria in addition to killing soil bacteria that aid in fertility.
I am not sure how long glyphosate persists in an animal, but if you switch feeds, I would think that you would be fine, unless you plan on selling certified organic.
I wonder if that link to the egg article might be doing its own marketing by sidestepping the issue of glyphosate contaminated feed, which might prove to be the bigger issue.

 

[FrankHomestead]

It's all so complicated and my brain is dusty lol I pay a pretty penny for organic feed, only because my organic homemade, whole grain and seed mix clearly was not providing sufficient nutrients because my 27 week old isa browns have not laid a single egg and they look more like 15 weeks. Anyway, I feel like I'm doing no better for my chickens than if I bought traditional feed and get twice as much feed for less money. Do they make non organic feeds that are gmo free and pesticide free?

 

[FrankHomestead]

Well I guess eliminating those two would make it organic, huh? -_- LOL

 

[Sara Ranch]

My two cents --

I choose the path of organic, non GMO feed. Yes, it is more expensive.

I use the feed to make fermented feed - which makes it lasts a bit longer. Almost twice as long.

I also supplement the feed with other organic, non GMO foods. Like fruit from my fruit trees, veggies from the garden, sprouted or soaked grains/beans/lentils. (All organic, non GMO.)

I use sand in the coops. I don't think they sell "organic, non GMO" sand, but sand is sand. I don't use pine shavings or hay or straw in my coops -- not sure if I could get organic, non GMO pine shavings/hay/straw. I use pine shavings for the babies in the house, but only to use up my supply. Once it's gone, it's gone.

I don't use poisons in the yard (or in the house.)

While I can't 100% protect my flocks, I know I am doing the best that I can to keep their feed as healthy as possible. One of the perks of fermenting feed is that the absorbable nutrients is more than it would be if feed as regular feed.

I would like to think that the "non organic and the GMO" would eventually come out of the little chicken bodies. If our human bodies can, over time, expel most chemicals we are exposed to or ingest, why can't chickens or other animals?

If you do come across something in your research that conclusively states a yes or no answer to your question, please come back to this post and share it.

 

[tigger19687]

To make it simple for some and the easiest way someone told me.

GMO is resistant to Round Up so the GMO plant will not die if it gets that on it. So they spray Round Up on the plant when ever they want. Beginning, during and end of the crop to kill weeds as such.
Now I don't know about you but I can't see how the round up isn't left in/on the product. I see it as Resistant just means it will not die but would still be in the product if it is sprayed with it.

Did that make sense?

 

[lazy gardener]

The fact that our grain crops are allowed to be sprayed with glyphosphate to induce "die down" before harvest is IMO absolutely deplorable, and speaks very well about how well "Big Brother", FDA and all of the other government agencies are looking after us little people. IMO, the issues we are seeing regarding "gluten intolerance" may very well not related at all to gluten in the diet, but may instead be caused by glyphosphates in the diet. Studies have shown that glyphosphate treated soil becomes "sterile". And it takes a very long time for that soil to rebuild those beneficial organisms that feed the soil. This is why I choose to HAND PULL poison ivy instead of spraying it. Huge risk to me, as I am highly sensitive, and a single PI blister will persist on me for 6 weeks or longer. But it's a risk that I gladly take to keep my soil and my animals healthy. Do I feed organic? NO. I can't afford to. Nor do I buy organic for myself. BUT, I do maintain a glyphosphate free yard, and consider that my birds benefit from that. What I harvest here keeps my diet a bit more chemical free than it would otherwise be.

 

[annagoodspeed]

No way can I afford organic feed. I have settled on mixing my own, with a base of wheat and peas. I am looking for grains that are being called no spray, rather than certified organic. From what I have seen, it looks like they don't allow peas to be dried down with glyphosate, and I found a mill that has no spray wheat, cheap, $14 for 80 lbs. I add Fertrell fish meal to get up to the protein percentage I want, and ferment. That protein calculator found on the threads here helped a lot to figure out a recipe.

 

[tigger19687]

@lazy gardener exactly, and don't get me started on why all of a sudden there are thousands of kids with Peanut allergies. Come on, it is a Legume and what have they been spraying on them all these years since (at least that I know) 1968 as I knew NO ONE with an allergy back then.

I have a yard with No spray, no pesticides no nothing, well the grass seed I could find was not Organic but it was the best I could do.

I also don't want to eat or feed SOY. They say like 85% is gmo.
I will try and do non-gmo as best as I can. I do have Organic feed now but if I can find a good non-gmo no soy I would be happy with that.

 

[Katherine Robertson]

http://www.aeb.org/food-manufacture...s/98-cwhite-papers/512-real-eggs-are-gmo-free
This is fascinating, I had no idea. so is it pointless to pay big bucks for organic?? is it a marketing ploy?

To answer your question, yes it is. The whole system of organic/free range/natural in grocery stores is all about marketing and less about quality. Plus I feel like it really has created even more division in society/class-ism. Like "organic" seems to mean "expensive" rather than healthful. Why do we have to pay more to be healthy in this country? One of the many reasons I got chickens and started composting so I could grow my own food. So done!