Deb, you sure have become the Rescue Lady, haven't you? Sure hope she makes it. Obviously, the poor thing is in shock. I agree that it will be harder later to stuff her insides back because they will dry out some.
Can I save her!?? Help!!!
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I would apply either an antibotic ointment or an antibiotic ointment with pain reliever
If in doubt ALWAYS use the antibiotic creme with no pain reliever... birds are very sensitive to most types of topical pain reliever used in those cremes and it can kill them. When you are dealing with an open would never use the one with the pain reliever in it. (you can always give them aspirin in water (one five grain aspirin dissolved in a quart of water).
Whenever you are confronted with this type of injury you must flush the area with sterile saline before "putting it back" ...
There are several articles on using honey as a wound dressing (especially when you have nothing else to hand) howecer there is the following consideration:
TYPES OF HONEY USED IN WOUND TREATMENT:
http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/november/Molan/honey-as-topical-agent.html
(excerpt)
"....Practical aspects of using honey on wounds
Substantial amounts of honey need to be applied to a wound to achieve adequate potency. Although it may be very viscous or even solid at room temperature, honey becomes very fluid at body temperature and even more fluid if diluted with proportionally small volumes of exudate. It is therefore very important that sufficient honey is applied to a wound and it is kept in place if a good therapeutic effect is to be obtained. For the optimal MIC of the antibacterial components of honey to be reached at the deepest sites of infection there needs to be the highest concentration possible on the surface, and a 'reservoir' of sufficient quantity that it is not substantially depleted by diffusion into the wound tissues.
Honey produced as a food often is not well filtered, and may contain various particles in it. Also, although honey does not allow vegetative bacteria to survive, it does contain viable spores, including clostridia. Honey that has been treated by gamma-irradiation is available commercially; this processing kills clostridial spores [86], [87] without loss of any of the antibacterial activity [86]. Various brands of honey with standardised antibacterial activity, processed as a medical product and sterilised by gamma-irradiation are available commercially. New Zealand manuka (Leptospermum scoparium) honey is sold with the activity of its phytochemical antibacterial component rated on a 'UMF' scale, with the 'UMF' number being the equivalent concentration of phenol with the same antibacterial activity against Staphylococcus aureus (i.e. UMF 15 = 15% phenol). Australian Leptospermum honey, Medihoney, is a listed product with the Therapeutic Goods Administration in Australia and has a standardised level of this antibacterial component. In addition, practical guides on the clinical use of honey in infected wounds are now available [69], [88]. The main considerations are summarised in Box 1. ..."
...I am thinking if you microwaved the honey for a couple minutes (let cool of course) it might ensure less of a risk...
Here are my articles on using honey as a wound dressing:
http://dlhunicorn.conforums.com/ind...ion=display&num=1161617098&start=0#1161620240
If in doubt ALWAYS use the antibiotic creme with no pain reliever... birds are very sensitive to most types of topical pain reliever used in those cremes and it can kill them. When you are dealing with an open would never use the one with the pain reliever in it. (you can always give them aspirin in water (one five grain aspirin dissolved in a quart of water).
Whenever you are confronted with this type of injury you must flush the area with sterile saline before "putting it back" ...
There are several articles on using honey as a wound dressing (especially when you have nothing else to hand) howecer there is the following consideration:
TYPES OF HONEY USED IN WOUND TREATMENT:
http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/november/Molan/honey-as-topical-agent.html
(excerpt)
"....Practical aspects of using honey on wounds
Substantial amounts of honey need to be applied to a wound to achieve adequate potency. Although it may be very viscous or even solid at room temperature, honey becomes very fluid at body temperature and even more fluid if diluted with proportionally small volumes of exudate. It is therefore very important that sufficient honey is applied to a wound and it is kept in place if a good therapeutic effect is to be obtained. For the optimal MIC of the antibacterial components of honey to be reached at the deepest sites of infection there needs to be the highest concentration possible on the surface, and a 'reservoir' of sufficient quantity that it is not substantially depleted by diffusion into the wound tissues.
Honey produced as a food often is not well filtered, and may contain various particles in it. Also, although honey does not allow vegetative bacteria to survive, it does contain viable spores, including clostridia. Honey that has been treated by gamma-irradiation is available commercially; this processing kills clostridial spores [86], [87] without loss of any of the antibacterial activity [86]. Various brands of honey with standardised antibacterial activity, processed as a medical product and sterilised by gamma-irradiation are available commercially. New Zealand manuka (Leptospermum scoparium) honey is sold with the activity of its phytochemical antibacterial component rated on a 'UMF' scale, with the 'UMF' number being the equivalent concentration of phenol with the same antibacterial activity against Staphylococcus aureus (i.e. UMF 15 = 15% phenol). Australian Leptospermum honey, Medihoney, is a listed product with the Therapeutic Goods Administration in Australia and has a standardised level of this antibacterial component. In addition, practical guides on the clinical use of honey in infected wounds are now available [69], [88]. The main considerations are summarised in Box 1. ..."
...I am thinking if you microwaved the honey for a couple minutes (let cool of course) it might ensure less of a risk...
Here are my articles on using honey as a wound dressing:
http://dlhunicorn.conforums.com/ind...ion=display&num=1161617098&start=0#1161620240
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I agree with shoving the innards back in, checking with an avian vet; and using crazy glue if no avian vet is available.
In reference to maggots: as gross as they are to us, they do consume decaying flesh and in their way keep wounds "clean". I think that fly maggots saved one of my chickens a few years back.
Chickens have amazing healing qualities. My prayers are with the little neighbor and her hen
In reference to maggots: as gross as they are to us, they do consume decaying flesh and in their way keep wounds "clean". I think that fly maggots saved one of my chickens a few years back.
Chickens have amazing healing qualities. My prayers are with the little neighbor and her hen
I would disagree about the maggots. Not all maggots are dead flesh eaters. There are many fly species whose maggots will consume living tissues as well.
I vote for the honey, as well. Use RAW, unfiltered honey because it still has the enzymes. If you can get Manuka honey from the health food store to keep on hand, it is the absolute best for wound dressing.
Regarding microwaving honey--I don't advise it (sorry Diana). It will harm the beneficial enzymes present in raw honey.
If you can't get either one of these in a store, you might need to make friends with a local beekeeper. Yes, you are definitely the "chicken rescue lady".
Manuka honey
Stephanie
Regarding microwaving honey--I don't advise it (sorry Diana). It will harm the beneficial enzymes present in raw honey.
If you can't get either one of these in a store, you might need to make friends with a local beekeeper. Yes, you are definitely the "chicken rescue lady".
Manuka honey
Stephanie
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That does indeed seem to be a bad idea... since it is being used topically it shouldnt matter ...lol
dlhunicorn they have one out now that is made specifically for animals birds included "EMT gel natural hydrostate of collagen" here is a link http://emtgel.com/ this is what I use on all of my animals.
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I hope you have luck with the hen. I am a firm believer that most of the people here probably know more than most vets. There is very little attention given to poultry in vet schools. This is probably due to the fact most people see them as a cheap disposible comondity.
Chickens seem to be pretty resilent animals considering all the attacks they go through. Freebie has patched a number of birds and they have come through pretty well, due to the advise here and her vet neighbor(who doesn't know much about birds).
I hope you can get this dog. The owners should be responsible for all the attacks the dog did. I believe once a dog attacks and maims/kills birds they aren't likely to stop. Ya know it isn't really the dogs fault cause it is the iresponsible owners that don't look out for them. I am willing to give people the benefit of the doubt if they get loose without their knowledge, as all dogs at one time or another can get loose. It is the ones that know their animal is loose and could care less. It is to bad the dog has to suffer the consequences of a stupid owner.
Chickens seem to be pretty resilent animals considering all the attacks they go through. Freebie has patched a number of birds and they have come through pretty well, due to the advise here and her vet neighbor(who doesn't know much about birds).
I hope you can get this dog. The owners should be responsible for all the attacks the dog did. I believe once a dog attacks and maims/kills birds they aren't likely to stop. Ya know it isn't really the dogs fault cause it is the iresponsible owners that don't look out for them. I am willing to give people the benefit of the doubt if they get loose without their knowledge, as all dogs at one time or another can get loose. It is the ones that know their animal is loose and could care less. It is to bad the dog has to suffer the consequences of a stupid owner.
Deb, how is she doing this morning? I hope your magic little fingers can fix her. Let us know.
So sorry to hear that and I thought my girl was in bad shape.
How is she doing?
How is she doing?
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