Can you cross different kinds of polish and what will they look like?

[daze333]

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Thanks Turtle feathers!
That is nice to know there is that option! Do you sell hatching eggs?

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

yes, but the deal with those colors is, blue black splash will all come out one or the other when bred together anyway, as will the dun and khaki, those are the only colors like that.
Cuckoo is dominate, so a male cuckoo crossed to anything will give you a cuckoo colored bird, but it will be split to that other color.
So yes, you would have a good shot a recognized colors in you pens.
The OP's colors however, will just give random mixes

 

[TurtleFeathers]

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Yeah, thats sorta why I never got into laced and buff and such. I think those patterns should be kept as clear and concise as possible, whereas, cuckoo can enhance solid colored birds, like black, blue, splash, dun and khaki. I do have a gorgeous little frizzled buff laced hen, but when I sell hatching eggs, I take her out of the pen so that her eggs don't get mixed up with the others.

I've been told that when breeding the blue/splash series, never to keep them with dun/khaki series, especially if breeding for show. Of course, black can go with either series. Or, one can keep only black roosters with blue, splash, dun and khaki hens all in one pen, but of course, that would never produce splash or khaki offspring. Since I don't show, I don't mind a few unique birds popping up here and there.

And I prefer to think of it as black, blue, splash, dun and khaki being just a "base color" under the cuckoo pattern - they can't be "split to" blue, splash, dun or khaki.

 

[TurtleFeathers]

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I do, daze - but not while I have frizzled hens and frizzled roosters in the same pen. Frizzle x frizzle is a no-no. And you wouldn't want to mix dun/khaki and/or blue/splash (or cuckoo for that matter) with the Polish you have now - you'd STILL end up with mixed colors.

Oh, and keep in mind, mine are bantam Polish. If you're interested in eggs, PM me and we can discuss it.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

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Yeah, thats sorta why I never got into laced and buff and such. I think those patterns should be kept as clear and concise as possible, whereas, cuckoo can enhance solid colored birds, like black, blue, splash, dun and khaki. I do have a gorgeous little frizzled buff laced hen, but when I sell hatching eggs, I take her out of the pen so that her eggs don't get mixed up with the others.

I've been told that when breeding the blue/splash series, never to keep them with dun/khaki series, especially if breeding for show. Of course, black can go with either series. Or, one can keep only black roosters with blue, splash, dun and khaki hens all in one pen, but of course, that would never produce splash or khaki offspring. Since I don't show, I don't mind a few unique birds popping up here and there.

And I prefer to think of it as black, blue, splash, dun and khaki being just a "base color" under the cuckoo pattern - they can't be "split to" blue, splash, dun or khaki.

you're right there with the cuckoos and blues ,duns etc.
I just bred my cuckoo d'anvers to my blues and duns this year, and they did come out dun cuckoo and blue cuckoo as F1's (but some were split, out of both ,come out black cuckoos, about 50-50), however with all other "normal" colors, yes they will be cuckoo split to the other base color. Working on quite a few of those in d'anver right now. All f1's right now, and all black cuckoo in color, you can see a little leakage here and there on some, like the crele project, but that's about it.
but dead on , on the duns and blue cuckoos for the most part, but a few will still be blacks even on them

 

[TurtleFeathers]

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Aubrey, I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I'm confused - what are you saying they were split to? Cuckoo can't be carried (ie. a bird can't be split to it) any more than blue/splash or dun/khaki can be. I must be misunderstanding something somewhere?

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

They are split to what ever I crossed them to.
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Cuckoo split to bb red , to eventually make crele, cuckoo split to silver quail for barred silver quail, etc.
They are all cuckoo patterened reguardless (IF YOU ARE USING MALE CUCKOOS, for the cross, doesnt work that way for female cuckoos), but carry the genes of the other birds in the F1 phase, thus they are cuckoos split to that color.
even in the blue/ and dun familiys. In what I have done, 50% will be dun or blue cuckoo from the get go. But some still come out black cuckoo, that are split to them too.

 

[TurtleFeathers]

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I don't know much about bbr or silver quail, so I won't comment on them - but with barring, Andalusian blue, and dun, what you see is what you get, nothing more.

A barred rooster will produce barred offspring of both sexes if his hen is not barred. To take that a step further, if the hen is non barred, and the rooster is double factor barred (from a barred x barred breeding), 100% of the offspring will be barred. But if the hen is non barred and the rooster is only a single factor barred (from a non barred rooster x barred hen), only 50% of the offspring will be barred. OTOH, if the hen IS barred and the rooster is NOT, she will produce only single factor barred MALE offspring - and hens cannot be double factor barred, only single. Barring is always visual, never carried, so a bird cannot be "split to barring".

Andalusian blue and dun are both much the same as barring, EXCEPT that it has nothing to do with sexes - they are always visual, never carried, so a bird cannot be "split to Andalusian blue" or "split to dun". If you breed a visually black bird to a visually blue (or dun) bird, you will get visually black and visually blue (or dun) chicks - and the blacks are not split to blue (or dun). If you breed only the BLACK F1's together (from the blue [or dun] x black breeding), all you will get is black, no blue (or dun).

So either I'm STILL misunderstanding something, or you know something about genetics that I don't...

 

[Mahonri]

Just an example for you.

This pullet is the result of a White Crested Blue Polish Roo X Bearded Buff Laced Polish.

I'm putting her half brother, a Policauna (BWAmeraucana X BBLP) over her to see what I get... here is brother.

Should be a funky looking chicken with perhaps the blue egg laying gene.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

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I don't know much about bbr or silver quail, so I won't comment on them - but with barring, Andalusian blue, and dun, what you see is what you get, nothing more.

A barred rooster will produce barred offspring of both sexes if his hen is not barred. To take that a step further, if the hen is non barred, and the rooster is double factor barred (from a barred x barred breeding), 100% of the offspring will be barred. But if the hen is non barred and the rooster is only a single factor barred (from a non barred rooster x barred hen), only 50% of the offspring will be barred. OTOH, if the hen IS barred and the rooster is NOT, she will produce only single factor barred MALE offspring - and hens cannot be double factor barred, only single. Barring is always visual, never carried, so a bird cannot be "split to barring".

Andalusian blue and dun are both much the same as barring, EXCEPT that it has nothing to do with sexes - they are always visual, never carried, so a bird cannot be "split to Andalusian blue" or "split to dun". If you breed a visually black bird to a visually blue (or dun) bird, you will get visually black and visually blue (or dun) chicks - and the blacks are not split to blue (or dun). If you breed only the BLACK F1's together (from the blue [or dun] x black breeding), all you will get is black, no blue (or dun).

So either I'm STILL misunderstanding something, or you know something about genetics that I don't...

lol

Not sure how to say it I guess.
you are dead on with the blues and duns,
black always makes black out of them
splash or khaki bred back to splash or khaki, always breeds true
blue to blue, is 50% blue, 25% splash and blacl
dun to dun is 50% dun 25% each black and khaki, so we are good there.

Here's what I did this year

I took a double factored barred cuckoo d'anver male to tons of stuff in color projects
Here are the results

bred to any color other than blue or dun, all like you said are 100% barred cuckoo, BUT they are split to the color I bred them too
so next year, those F1 cuckoos , bred back to that original color, or back bred to each other, will give them the second gene to make them that color, BUT in a barred pattern
IE creles, all they are is bb red chicken that has been barred.

I also did a lot of blued and dun crosses, true, 100% all either blue or dun as F1, but they too were split to the color, so next year they will make, say blue reds from the bb red crosses

Now, when I used these same birds together
the double factored barred male to the blues, their offspring were 100% barred, BUT only half or so were blue, the other half were black cuckoo
same on the dun quail I used, got 50% dun barred, and 50% black barred. Also just to throw a wrench in it, got about 5-10% solid dun no barring??
I have been assuming these black bars were split to the blue and dun color?
Reason for this, Is when I crossed my lavender cuckoos to lavenders, got the same results, most were lavender cuckoo 75% or better. But when the solid lavenders were bred back the following year to lavender cuckoos, got 100% lavender cuckoo then.

But if I get what you are saying correctly, these black cuckoos I got out of the blues and duns will be no more than single factored back cuckoos right? If so, that's good to know, because I havent got around to any F2 crosses with them yet, that's coming up next spring, so that little tid bit will save some pen space!!

These are just my personal experiences with pattern and color work, no genteticist by any means,

Fully agree on the use of a female barred in the cross, that's exactly the results I got too when I did that.