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[Fowler Hencock]

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You mean we shouldn't be giving them beer instead of water?

They get only medicated gamebird starter, and have already been through a cycle of Corid and some Wazine after that. But thanks for your advice.


Here's another shot of some of our poor, suffering chicks:

 

[Choctaw Valley Farm]

I didn't mean to sound like a smart ???

they just look like what mine do sometimes. I'm Sorry, but I guess it's a good thing I asked because Wazine don't work good for peachicks use Safe Guard for Goats 3 to 4cc to 1 gallon of water for 3 days.

 

[Fowler Hencock]

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I did a little quick research on the efficacy of fenbendazole as compared to piperazine, and research does back up your assertion. I will take your advice on that. Thanks!


(And apologies to the OP for the hijack.)

 

[deerman]

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100% right on the wazine.....even for chicken safe guard for goats, wazine kills roundworms ,but thats about all

 

[AquaEyes]

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"Purple Cameo" is "Peach." But that chick looks darker than what I've seen here of those mutations. I'm guessing these were not labeled very well, or perhaps it meant "Cameo X Purple."

 

[Choctaw Valley Farm]

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"Purple Cameo" is "Peach." But that chick looks darker than what I've seen here of those mutations. I'm guessing these were not labeled very well, or perhaps it meant "Cameo X Purple."

You know that you make it sound easy, everyone will be breeding their Purples to their Cameos and think they will get Peach off spring. This will not happen if it did everybody would have Peach Peafowl it's not that easy.

 

[AquaEyes]

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"Purple Cameo" is "Peach." But that chick looks darker than what I've seen here of those mutations. I'm guessing these were not labeled very well, or perhaps it meant "Cameo X Purple."

You know that you make it sound easy, everyone will be breeding their Purples to their Cameos and think they will get Peach off spring. This will not happen if it did everybody would have Peach Peafowl it's not that easy.

It's just a matter of having chromosomal crossover in a male split to both Purple and Cameo. It's harder to plan for this than combining two mutations which occur on separate chromosomes because it happens randomly and unpredictably, but it is possible. And from reading the posts here, the story of the origin of the Peach peafowl, and from further correspondence with Clifton Nicholson (he hatched peachicks from a trio containing a Peach male with a Purple female and a Cameo female -- offspring produced would not be possible unless "Peach" was "Purple Cameo"), this is the conclusion I have reached. If Peach were a unique mutation, then this trio would produce Peach females and IB males split to Peach and either Purple or Cameo (depending on which hen was the mother). This is not what Clifton observed. He got three peachicks from the first clutch -- two Peach, and one either Purple or Cameo (he couldn't tell at the time he wrote me), but definitely not IB.

I said that according to my hypothesis that Peach is a combination, the Peach chicks are female, and the other one is a male. This male chick would have one Z chromosome from its mother (with either Purple or Cameo on it, depending on its mother), and one Z chromosome from its dad (with Purple AND Cameo on it, which produces the phenotype called "Peach"). Because these mutations must be homozygous to show, it must receive a copy from both parents. If mom was Purple, it would receive one copy of Purple from her and one copy of Purple from Dad (with Cameo tagging along), thus showing as Purple. It would not show Cameo because on the Z chromosome from mom, Cameo was not present. Thus this male chick would be Purple split to "Peach."

To parallel, I will use cockatiels as an example. In cockatiels, Lutino, Cinnamon, Pearl and Yellow-Cheek are sex-linked mutations. For males to express the mutation, they must have one copy of the mutation on each of their two Z chromosomes. Let's say you cross a Cinnamon male with a Pearl female. The male F1's will be normal gray split to Cinnamon and Pearl. If in that bird, during meiosis to form sperm, the Z chromosomes cross over each other and exchange parts, it is possible to then have some sperm with a Z chromosome with neither mutation and some sperm with a Z chromosome with both mutations. This has happened in cockatiels, and explains how Cinnamon Pearl cockatiels came into being. There are also Lutino Pearl cockatiels, which happened from the same process. There can also be male cockatiels that are Cinnamon split to Cinnamon-Pearl (one Z chromosome has Cinnamon, the other has Cinnamon AND Pearl -- two copies shows the Cinnamon, but one copy isn't enough to show the Pearl), or Lutino split to Lutino-Pearl.

If you paired a Purple peacock with a Cameo hen (or the other way around), the male offspring would be IB split to Purple and Cameo. If you held onto this male and paired him to either a Purple hen or a Cameo hen (or in a trio with one hen of each) and kept them paired for several breeding seasons, eventually it is likely that crossover will happen again on the Z chromosome (crossover happens at virtually every instance of meiosis, but on which chromosome is at random) and you will hatch a Peach peahen. If it happens even once, and neither original bird had Peach in its background, my hypothesis gains further evidence to be correct. And, basically, this is how the first Peach peahen came to be. ETA -- Actually, pairing that IB split to Purple and Cameo to any peahen could result in a Peach peahen daughter. But, again, it wouldn't be something you could predict as easily as Mendelian genetics. Perhaps the reason people aren't doing it isn't because it's that easy, but rather because they believe Peach to be a unique mutation, as opposed to a combination of two mutations.

 

[Choctaw Valley Farm]

Man, I'm Sorry I said anything that stuff just gives me a headache and don't do nothing for me, I just never cared much about the genetics it's all greek to me.

 

[deerman]

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Odds for white are 25% ,but thats over a large number of birds...

 

[deerman]

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"Purple Cameo" is "Peach." But that chick looks darker than what I've seen here of those mutations. I'm guessing these were not labeled very well, or perhaps it meant "Cameo X Purple."

Really it has not been proven, a few think that maybe the case. chick doesn't look to be peach, its looks purple, the lighting could be off.

My guess the egg label is what both parents are.