Caponization

[ehatch]

I was thinking caponizing would be a great way to utilize extra roos in a heritage flock. If you're doing the heritage thing you'd be getting away from the hybrids (cornish x).
Thanks for the links...

 

[blklangshandude]

Caponising is illegal where I come from!

What in the PETA is that all about?

 

[blklangshandude]

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Oh yes, I am deadly serious.

You would go to jail if caught doing it in the UK. Any vet found to be helping would lose their license.

It falls in the category of *causing an animal unecessary suffering*, and was banned some time ago.

Battery cages have gone the same way, so have veal crates.

Declawing cats, and docking tails beyond a legal minimum is unlawful. I could dock my lambs, but had to leave sufficient tail to cover the anus in the boys, and the vagina in the girls.

I wholeheartedly support all these laws, btw

Can you neuter cats and dogs in the UK?

 

[CrazyTalk]

What.???? I have NEVER heard od sedating a little bull calf before castration.. Just flip them over.. Straddle them and cut!! I have never seen a cat or dog being done but you would assume they are given a local... Females anyway.. I would bet the boys don't always get any sort of anesthesia . But I can say that calves don't get anything.

Cats and dogs are fully sedated when it is done (atleast in the USA, no idea about elsewhere) - I think mostly for the safety of the vet.


Livestock are typically done without anything - although there is some controversy in the industry on the multiple methods (surgical, banding, etc) and whether it should be used when done surgically.

 

[CatWhisperer]

Mostly for the safety of the vet!? I am a vet and animals feel pain same as people. I assume people who make these statements are just ignorant and don't care to educate themselves on the subject. Better to not feel guilt upon purposely inflicting pain on God's creatures. Livestock are often castrated at a young age with little or no pain medication due to economics, that is not to say it doesn't hurt. Caponizing is a very invasive procedure, as invasive as doing a hysterectomy on a cat, dog or woman. The procedure should be performed as a sterile procedure with anesthesia by a knowledgable person.

 

[enola]

Most birds do not handle anesthesia well at all. Actually most anesthesia is closer to poisoning them.......

 

[cassie]

Mostly for the safety of the vet!? I am a vet and animals feel pain same as people. I assume people who make these statements are just ignorant and don't care to educate themselves on the subject. Better to not feel guilt upon purposely inflicting pain on God's creatures. Livestock are often castrated at a young age with little or no pain medication due to economics, that is not to say it doesn't hurt. Caponizing is a very invasive procedure, as invasive as doing a hysterectomy on a cat, dog or woman. The procedure should be performed as a sterile procedure with anesthesia by a knowledgable person.

I question how painful caponization is to a chicken. I don't think they are as sensitive to painas we are. I had a turkey rip his side open once. I stitched him up. He just stood there while I was stitching. Didn't flinch or anything.

 

[CrazyTalk]

Mostly for the safety of the vet!? I am a vet and animals feel pain same as people. I assume people who make these statements are just ignorant and don't care to educate themselves on the subject. Better to not feel guilt upon purposely inflicting pain on God's creatures. Livestock are often castrated at a young age with little or no pain medication due to economics, that is not to say it doesn't hurt. Caponizing is a very invasive procedure, as invasive as doing a hysterectomy on a cat, dog or woman. The procedure should be performed as a sterile procedure with anesthesia by a knowledgable person.

Giving a hysterectomy definitely needs anesthesia, but as someone who has band castrated livestock - they don't seem to feel anything at all - giving anesthesia seems to cause more issues with them than the actual procedure.

And no, animals don't feel pain the same as people. Their perspective of pain is very different than ours, because their brain structure is very different.

I've been through similar situations as cassie - had to stitch most of the skin back onto the head of a chicken once - it was more concerned with trying to eat the food I had then it was with me tugging and stitching.

 

[naillikwj82]

I'm in agreement with CrazyTalk. While doing the procedure birds have continued preening, pecking at buttons, and eat and drink immediately upon completion. Over 1 million birds are done every year for commercial purpose in the US. Note that though it is illegal to do the procedure in England (on their turf), they still import capons for their tables.

 

[CatWhisperer]

I had my husband suture up a gash on my chin after teaching him on a towel how to do it correctly. I didn't flinch either as this is not a painful procedure. Crazy Talk, what are your qualifications for stating that animals (all animals) perception of pain is very different because their brain structure is very different. I've taken courses in neuroanatomy. Have you? I have studied, observed and treated pain in animals for years. What experience are you basing your statements on. Obviously you can say what you want, believe what you want. I only wish for others to not be misguided into causing harm and inflicting unnecessary pain on animals they may love and care about.