Captured a Vicious Predator in Our Perimeter Fence Today (Pics)

[speckledhen]

Quote: loanwizard, dogs are not wolves and it should be penned/fenced at all times. They don't need "freedom". They are domesticated. If you want them to run, go with them and keep track of them or be prepared to lose them one day. You may get a new neighbor who doesn't cotton to dogs running loose on his property, no matter how much you think they should have "freedom".

 

[GrandmaChickie]

You're right speckledhen--your topic was hijacked. I apologize for contributing to that.

 

[clucking cuties]

My super cute beagle has killed about 6 of my chickens over the past few weeks. If it weren't for my kids, he would be gone!

I have not (thankfully) had to do this myself, but one of my "chicken friends" told me a sure fire cure all if your own dog kills a chicken

and you want to break him or her of this awful habit.

Gather some of the remains (preferably bowels or other smelly stuff) and roll them up in a sturdy large handkerchief. Tie this slighly loosely just under the chin area making sure that the dog can eat and breathe ok but not so loose that it can catch a paw in the handkerchief, but the dog has to smell the stinky stuff for 3 days. This will work only if the dog is a outside dog, otherwise you will not be able to stand this as well. At the end of three days, untie the package and discard it, and give the dog a bath.

She swears her dog never killed a chicken again, 3 years later.

 

[Happy Chooks]

This thread has been cleaned up. Let's remember the rules here and keep the discussion respectful.

Also, several people that are involved in this thread have lost MANY birds to neighbor's dogs trespassing on their property. If you keep an animal, you are responsible for making sure that it doesn't harm other people or their property.

If you do not agree with another member's opinion, then respectfully disagree or move on to another thread.

 

[speckledhen]

Thank you, Happy Chooks, for the clean up.

 

[dinahmoe]

it is a very cute pup.i love the hounds.i know how you feel about the new dog thing.i just turned down a new heeler puppy,that i had been waiting on,because the timing is just so bad now.just don't have the money to take care of one the way it should be.

for all of those that said cute puppy,that must have been after she said it DIDN"T get to the chickens.
i saw the picture first and immediately said "thats a chicken killer".and it probably would have been if given the chance.
every dog i see, now that i have a farm ,is a killer first and" cute" later.

D

 

[Cetawin]

Do I love my beagles? Well yes I believe I do. That is open to debate I live in America. I am free. Yes you do and are and so am I. I would rather live a short life of freedom, rather than forever in bondage. Agree with you 100% but you are NOT a DOG that can run around causing trouble, getting into trouble, get hurt, get into random poison or pesticide, run afoul of a wild predator that injures it or kill the pets of another FREE AMERICAN I have a rather nice kennel setup for my beagles. House, dry bedding, roomy, fresh water, food, a 3x6 run.... but it is still a cage. Why did you waste the time and money for all that nonsense if you are not keeping the dogs in it? Is it safe? Is it clean? Is it adequately sized? Is it for DOGS? If so let the dogs live in it, take them out when you can supervise or fence your property and confine them to it.

I am blessed to live in the country. I have about 7 or 8 neighbors within about 4 square miles of me. I have spoken to each and every one of them about my beagles. I have 5000 acres of state land around me, actually 19,000 acres, but 5,000 of it is out my back door. They run because they enjoy that freedom more than being in their kennel. Well no kidding..what dog would not prefer to run all over hells half acres if allowed to? How do I know? Because they come home every night to be put back in with fresh food and water, yet in the morning, happily jump down and go hunting. They don't bother the cats, they don't chase deer, you are delusional if you believe a beagle will not chase a deer or its scent...you can kid yourself all you want but save the BS for someone who is clueless, which is not me T they ignore the chickens, they don't even chase domestic rabbits. About the domestic rabbits, how that happened I don't know, but we have one out and he has been ignored for 3 days. Nothing spectacular about that I have tons of picstures of my father's coonhound playing chase with my son's pet rabbit in the backyard....but that DOES NOT mean that coonhound would behave the same at someone else's home with their rabbit or a wild rabbit and only a FOOL would believe they would be the same,

I may not raise my animals the way you in suburbia think I should, suburbia? Since when the heck are the hills of Kentucky on over 150 acres suburbia or in the case of Speckledhen, the blue ridge mountains on her own little mountaintop surbia. Don't assume because you know what that means and if I felt it necessary, or were cursed with a nasty neighbor, or an animal that may be a threat to the quiet enjoyment of my neighbors or a danger to their property, then I would invest in an invisible fence or cage them or even get rid of them if necessary, but..... my situation is fine.

The one nice thing about Freedom...it works for everyone. You are free to allow your dogs to be a nuisance and I am free to shoot their butts on my property. Freedom is nice isn't it? I am an animal lover and because of that I keep my animals at home where they belong and I do not allow other animals to harrass or harm them. I hope your beagles continue to come home every night because one night...someone will be missing, count on it because you sir do not care enough about them to protect them.

Freedom has another great benefit...I am free to voice my opinion and there you have it.

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[speckledhen]

All this begs the question: if beagles running through the woods supposedly aren't chasing rabbits and they aren't chasing deer, what the heck do you think they're chasing?

Seriously, those dog are chasing deer and rabbits-this is not the first time a hound has come baying across my property (though thankfully, outside the fenced 2 acre part), baying at a deer thundering ahead of it. I've seen it more than once. Hounds chase deer, no ifs, ands or buts.

And one other thing we on BYC have seen and can testify to with complete certainty: dogs off the property of their owner sometimes meet up with other dogs, and in that pack, they do things the owner never would dream they'd do, including kill chickens belonging to other people.

My neighbors are mostly elderly and will pass on before I do, or they'll sell their half-year homes to others and stay in Florida permanently. When the new group comes in, I sincerely hope none of them comes to us and says something like, "My dog may come up to your place. He's a (insert breed here). Since we are so happy to now live in the country, we are thrilled that he can run free. He won't bother anything-he's harmless."

The answer can only be, "Be prepared to lose him because he will be shot if he makes it into the fence and is a threat to my flock. You may also want to look up the phone number for animal control in case we are feeling particularly magnanimous that day because we will not be calling you to come pick him up."

I have a hard line, zero tolerance policy. In most cases, anyone who allows their dogs to run is breaking a county, city or general state law and endangering the dog, in addition to endangering the livestock of others and sometimes, even causing harm to people who may encounter that dog simply because, as you well know, some people are deathly afraid of all dogs. That last one in itself is reason enough to keep the dog contained on your own property out of respect for others.




Quote: Very true, dinamoe. Very true. Cute, yes. Probable chicken killer, also yes.

ETA: Hope I really don't have to add this, and that you already have gleaned it from what I've said, but I love dogs. Was raised with dogs, AKC Dobermans, have had dogs most of my adult life as well. They were never stuck on a chain outside, but in a fence adequate to contain them when outside, and were allowed in the house. My own dogs I've had as an adult spent more time inside than they did outside and when outside had ample fenced area. They had the best food and proper vet care, including surgeries when needed. I expect others to be responsible as well and if they cannot contain the dogs, they should not get the dogs.

 

[Achickenwrangler#1]

You know it is so...as for listening to a beagle hunt game land that borders my property I wouldn't consider that a pleasant sound at all, neither would the game warden whose property borders said land over there. If you have to ask how running loose ruins a dog then you are not a hunter. Just cause it's state land doesn't mean you get to use it however you want, it still belongs to me just as much as anyone and maybe there are some laws even stricter that your breaking.

 

[Red Barn Farms]

I would be afraid IF I had any hunting dogs "hound" family to let them run free UNLESS I was with them at all times. For me anyway, it's just the responsible thing to do. There is no telling what damages they might cause to others property. A few years ago i seen beagles and another 'hound' family dog run a heard of cattle through a fence.


Adding to speckledhen:

According to Wikipedia:

The Beagle is a breed of small to medium-sized dog. A member of the Hound Group, it is similar in appearance to the Foxhound, but smaller, with shorter legs and longer, softer ears. Beagles are scent hounds, developed primarily for trackinghare, rabbit, and other game. They have a great sense of smell and tracking instinct that sees them employed as detection dogs


Hunting

Main article: Beagling

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The Caynsham Foot Beagles (c.1885)​

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Beagles were developed primarily for hunting hare, an activity known as beagling. They were seen as ideal hunting companions for the elderly who could follow on horseback without exerting themselves, for young hunters who could keep up with them on ponies, and for the poorer hunters who could not afford to maintain a stable of good hunting horses.[51] Before the advent of the fashion for foxhunting in the 19th century, hunting was an all day event where the enjoyment was derived from the chase rather than the kill. In this setting the tiny Beagle was well matched to the hare, as unlike Harriers they would not quickly finish the hunt, but because of their excellent scent-tracking skills and stamina they were almost guaranteed to eventually catch the hare. The Beagle packs would run closely together ("so close that they might be covered with a sheet"[10]) which was useful in a long hunt, as it prevented stray dogs from obscuring the trail. In thick undergrowth they were also preferred to spaniels when hunting pheasant.[52]