Cesar millan v. clicker training

[mekasmom]

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He was raised in Mexico. You have to understand that cultural differences taught him that women were weaker and more submissive as he grew up. Our cultural upbringing does steer our thoughts about situations and people. I'm sure he has been taught other things since coming to the states.

He is a very humble, nice man. I saw him at a conference one time, where he actually talked to people, showed them things about their dogs, talked about pact instinct. He is not mean, not rude, not arrogant. He is truly a humble, sweet, happy little guy. He doesn't treat dogs like people though. That in itself might be offensive to some people in this nation. We do tend to treat our dogs like they are our babies.

I have never seen anything he has done on tv, the videos, or at the conference that remotely looked like being mean to a dog. My only hesitation is that he does "save" some animals that are probably not safe for all members of society. If he keeps them, keeps them away from society, then fine. But I don't think it is safe to have dominant aggressive dogs loose in society. You never know when someone might set them off again.

 

[yoker]

One thing I have learned from this conversation is that peoples opinions vary a lot.

 

[OccamsTazer]

mekasmom, I was defending his foot-in-mouth tendencies, I think he's great.

 

[McSpin]

I don't think he has "foot-in-mouth" tendencies. Usually when a culture forms a person's view on things, it's difficult to change. He seems to adapt wonderfully to our culture and view on women. To me, he comes across as a kind person, who is not a sexist. When he explains the difference between men and women, he's speaking about what he's observed. We are different and our tendencies vary on average. He's noticed it and his comments are fairly accurate. Anyone who thinks men and women (on average) are the same, must not have spent a lot of time around the opposite sex.

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[scbatz33]

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Thanks! I was wondering how to put it...You said it straight on.

 

[OccamsTazer]

How on earth did I end up defending myself?

I *like* Cesar, I wasn't bashing him, I'm sorry my wording was not to anyone's liking. I *agree* with you guys about his background.

This is insane.

 

[schellie69]

I have 5 dogs now, and most of them are rescued from abusive homes I have a Dachshund/Chihuahua mix that had a sister the people who owned the mother thought that since they would be giving the puppies away to different homes it would be better for the 2 puppies to be separated from each other and given to the mother only for feedings and then removed again this poor dog does not speak dog he has no manners with other dogs and I tried for month to correct the behavior but was unable to so I let my dog Buddy start helping me he did so well he is now starting to understand the "language " it is hard work but people do put human emotions on their dogs which leads to many mean and aggressive dogs but if you watch Victoria's body language she is letting the dog know she is the alpha and she does teach that to the owners not the same way as Cesar but its there I do like some of Cesar's message dogs are pack animals and if they know you are the alpha then that is the end they will respect and respond to your training. but I don't believe that just by using the clicker you might teach your dog all kind of tricks but the respect must be there so they do not bite or become aggressive and after watch Cesar's show I started using some of the pack language with my dogs it has worked wonderfully they respond well and have been working with them with the chickens and none of them will attack my chickens and one of my dogs is a bird dog. and if you have people who are submissive by nature get a powerful high energy working dog it is a problem waiting to happen I have trained dogs for show and I know that they knew that I was in charge. If you have a working type dog it will not be happy just sitting in the house or back yard all day with nothing to do. exercise is very important part of owning any dog. He admits that he had a different opinion of women but his wife changed that and I think he does give women the power to control any type of dog and just because you are woman does not mean that you can't control the dog. I think you can learn something from trainers and take what works for you and use it and what doesn't get rid of it. but there are to many studies that show that dogs are pack animals and should be treated that way IMO

 

[mekasmom]

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I know. I was expounding on what you said about his thoughts towards women. Sorry if it didn't come out sounding that way. I wasn't aiming criticism towards you. I just quoted your piece because you mentioned his attitude about women, so I brought up how different cultures have different attitudes.

Message boards are tough. People can't see body language or tone, so it is easy to be misunderstood. I am sorry if it sounded like I was being harsh to you, I really wasn't, I was agreeing with you.

 

[ronnie videll]

I really hate when people put Cesar Milan down for cruelty to animals. First off I am a dog trainer. I always look to improve my training there are bits and pieces you can use from any trainer. As far as Cesar goes his methods are not cruel. Have you ever seen a mother dog teach her puppies not to nurse anymore? SHE bites them. Have you ever seen large breed dogs like Rottweilers play? They bite each other. A mother bird pushes her young out of the nest. They fly or die. How is what Ceaser doing cruel compared to that?

 

[ronnie videll]

I really hate when people put Cesar Milan down. Can we say jealousy? If you have been around animals. you will know, a mother dog nips her puppies to get them to stop nursing. Rottweilers play by biting one another. They are only playing but it sounds like they are killing each other. a mother bird pushes her young out of the nest when she wants them to leave. Fly, or die. Having said this, The touchy feely crowd is destroying dogs. Tail docking is a no-no, yet it's ok to remove the dew claw? come on give me a break. I am a dog trainer and I like to learn from every trainer. Cesar is making money and all of you who put him down are haters