Cesar millan v. clicker training

[McSpin]

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Not me, but then I wasn't there and could not study the dog beforehand. Cesar was and likely did.

As an added note WOLVES ARE NOT DOGS AND DOGS ARE NOT WOLVES.

Dogs contain 99.9% of the same genetic material that a wolf has. They are far more wolf than you think they are. What dogs clearly aren't, is people and should not be treated as one.

Not only do wolves RARELY do this crap to pack members

Ever watch wolves at a kill? They do this stuff at every meal. Dominance is reasserted over and over again - at every kill - every mating attempt - every challenge to authority. You should read up on wolves a bit more.

Dogs are domesticated animals bred for centuries NOT to require a heavy hand.

Sorry, but most breeds were developed to perform tasks. They selected for those that did the tasks best. It had nothing to do with a heavy hand or any other training method. Selection was made according to which dogs excelled at the task. If the task was bull baiting or dog fighting, they simply picked the ones that could be made to excel at them.

My theory is Caesar is just for show because I have seen what that "training" does to dogs and I guarantee most of them are dead now after being too aggressive as aggression is what they learned.

You're killing your credibility. Haven't you seen the reunion shows, where most of the dogs he worked with come onto one show and get together in one area? They are all together, getting along great, unlike before Cesar helped instruct the owners what to do. These reunions have happened a year or two after he saw some of the dogs last. The owners he has worked with seem pretty happy, for the most part, with the results down the road. Your theory is hogwash.

One final note Caesar is NOT a dog trainer. Victoria IS and she has awards to prove it.

That one will keep me laughing all night. You've got to be joking!​

 

[Redyre Rotties]

No one is joking.

There is absolutely no need to use force or intimidation to teach a dog anything, nor to modify behavior.

Ceasar Milan is NOT a trainer. What he does, IMO, is a parlor trick, and not a very nice one at that.

 

[redhen]

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I'd have to disagree with you..But to each their own..

 

[greathorse]

I still do not understand where all this talk about Cesar using mean harsh tactics to get a dog's attention. I have seen him give a sharp prod with either his heel or two fingers to get a dog to watch him. Beyond that I have seen him ask for some respect and get it.

I have seen him quickly give up on his "strikes" when it doesn't work.

This all wrong all right theory is truly wearysome. I think his techniques work great in his hands, I think the Victoria person does a great job with what she does. All of us have worked out some techniques that work for us and some times not for others.

If a short stroke to the side of a dog's neck is being brutal I don't want to see what the harsher trainers do.

Wearysome wearysome Wearysome

And again I dont think Cesar is the end all to dog training, but I sure dont see all this brutal behavior that keeps getting put out there.

Dogs that know of no consequence for bad rude behavior some times need a correction that goes beyond "good doggie"

 

[McSpin]

I not only think it's nice, but a good thing that he does. However, like redhen says "to each their own".


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I'd have to disagree with you..But to each their own..

 

[redhen]

The trainers that scare ME are the ones that say "my way, is the ONLY way..." *shivers*
Cesar has proven himself time and again... and he DOES have many many many happy healthy dogs to back him up on that statement..
Dont be a hater cause he has a show and you dont...

Btw.. i like Victoria Stillwell also... both of them are great dog trainers.. they just do things a bit differently.. but they BOTH work and they BOTH help the dogs and families.
THATS what it is all about.. not " i'm a better dog trainer than you are..neener...neener... "

 

[redhen]

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me neither..i have NEVER ever seen him be mean to a dog on his show... maybe they arent watching the same ones that all of america is??

 

[greathorse]

Cesar in fact has frequently had other trainers on his show and has recognized that other trainers, teachers etc have a lot to offer as well.

And yes I watch his show with some regularity as I do any other dog training show that comes on during the time that I can watch.. I watch Victoria Stillwell when I can.

My favorite horse training show is Clinton Anderson but I watch them all because I think there can be a takeaway from all of them. Although Pat Parelli gets on my nerves. I am sure there are things to learn I just can't bring myself to sit through the show. I don't like his presentation style.

 

[Redyre Rotties]

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I have experience, quite a bit of it, training both ways. I have used collar corrections both with slip and pinch collars, verbal and physical intimidation including crowding, scolding, grabbing under the chin to force eye contact, spray bottles.

In recent years, I have learned that it is NOT NECESSARY to do these things in order to get superb obedience, house manners, perfect show ring manners, etc from my dogs.

I do not have small dogs. I have large powerful strong minded dogs who have more than a little drive.

I am not saying that other ways don't get results. They certainly do. But IME, its not necessary, and I choose more and more often to teach my dog using rewards rather than correction.

 

[greathorse]

Perfect that is what works for you, and I am sure it does. I am sure I could learn a lot from you in terms of dog training. My only point is that I do not see this terrible mean, maiming, killing dogs, trainer that you see, that is all.

I see a person with a different style.