Chantecler Thread!

[hellbender]

I'm looking for Chantecler hatching eggs- I live in Maine and I've got one buff hen and really would love some more, any color other than white considered.

That's funny!!! White is the only color I would consider, being of the firm belief and despite what some may say...Whites are the only true Chanteclers...in my opinion and that of many others. All others are mongrels, and many of said mongrels don't even have correct combs.

 

[Shello]

That's funny!!! White is the only color I would consider, being of the firm belief and despite what some may say...Whites are the only true Chanteclers...in my opinion and that of many others. All others are mongrels, and many of said mongrels don't even have correct combs.

Wow, that is a bold statement, hellbender. I am not about to start a debate/argument here on which mongrel is the "only true" mongrel, but, historically, ALL Chantecler are mongrels in comparison to foundation breeds of fowl, lol. ALL Chantecler are composites of other breeds put together (as are Wyandottes, Plymouth Rocks, etc). "SOME" White Chantecler lines can be traced to Brother Wilfred's flock, but not all, so saying that "White" are the "only true" Chantecler is false. Some lines have been bred for a longer time than others without outside infusions, but not all of any variety.

The Partridge did not have the benefit of its founder living long enough to establish a firm following for the bird, he died the year they were accepted by the APA. That, along with the ravishes that WWII brought to all Canadian exhibition poultry (the ones in the monastery were not "hit" as hard), made it hard for the Partridge to gain a firm position as a variety.

So, yes, the Partridge is a work in progress and there are many dedicated breeders who are working diligently to refine the genetics to what they need to be, but there are alot of poor looking white Chantecler lines out there too.

Proud to own a bunch of productive partridge colored mongrels and know the history of my breed ... Shel

 

[hellbender]

Wow, that is a bold statement, hellbender. I am not about to start a debate/argument here on which mongrel is the "only true" mongrel, but, historically, ALL Chantecler are mongrels in comparison to foundation breeds of fowl, lol. ALL Chantecler are composites of other breeds put together (as are Wyandottes, Plymouth Rocks, etc). "SOME" White Chantecler lines can be traced to Brother Wilfred's flock, but not all, so saying that "White" are the "only true" Chantecler is false. Some lines have been bred for a longer time than others without outside infusions, but not all of any variety.

The Partridge did not have the benefit of its founder living long enough to establish a firm following for the bird, he died the year they were accepted by the APA. That, along with the ravishes that WWII brought to all Canadian exhibition poultry (the ones in the monastery were not "hit" as hard), made it hard for the Partridge to gain a firm position as a variety.

So, yes, the Partridge is a work in progress and there are many dedicated breeders who are working diligently to refine the genetics to what they need to be, but there are alot of poor looking white Chantecler lines out there too.

Proud to own a bunch of productive partridge colored mongrels and know the history of my breed ... Shel

Shello, I don't mean any disrespect but I've read several 'histories' on the breeds as well and the ones that make most sense to me are those which has the Albertan being developed near 40 years after 1918. All of my reading leads me to believe that the bird you call Partridge Chantecler is, from my understand, one of said Albertans.

Then comes along The Buffs and Reds...where does it end?

Edited to add....there seems to be a lot of revisionists history floating around these breeds, much of it aimed at trying to change the clock and have a place of acceptance for the off-color batardes of the Chanticler.

 

[Shello]

Shello, I don't mean any disrespect but I've read several 'histories' on the breeds as well and the ones that make most sense to me are those which has the Albertan being developed near 40 years after 1918. All of my reading leads me to believe that the bird you call Partridge Chantecler is, from my understand, one of said Albertans.

Then comes along The Buffs and Reds...where does it end?

Edited to add....there seems to be a lot of revisionists history floating around these breeds, much of it aimed at trying to change the clock and have a place of acceptance for the off-color batardes of the Chanticler.

Hellbender, I have extensively researched the Partridge history (along with that of the white) & have no idea where you might have found your information regarding the creation date ... would you like to cite your sources? I am always interested in the history of my breed.

The "Albertan" which was accepted into the APA as the "Partridge" variety of Chantecler was created by Dr Wilkinson of Alberta beginning in 1919. He actually created many different colors/varieties but only the Partridge was accepted. He created them for similar reasons as brother Wilfred - as a winter hardy bird to reduce the economic losses caused by frostbite. My sources are Dr Wilkinson's own article in the 1935 Canadian Poultryman the year they were accepted into the APA & an archive from the Timm's collection in the Glenbow Museum in Canada. (Both have been reported in the Chantecler Fanciers newsletter & archive). In fact, the PartridgeAlbertan was exported to England in 1935 and was shown in Germany and other countries prior to that.

BTW, contrary to what some sources report, Dr Wilkinson himself made it clear he understood why the Albertan was accepted as a Chantecler by the APA & was not "devastated" as some sources cite without reference.

The controversy confused me when I became interested and was part of what prompted me to search out the truth. I also have histories of most of the major lines of both the white and partridge that people have been so kind and generous to share.

 

[hellbender]

Hellbender, I have extensively researched the Partridge history (along with that of the white) & have no idea where you might have found your information regarding the creation date ... would you like to cite your sources? I am always interested in the history of my breed.

The "Albertan" which was accepted into the APA as the "Partridge" variety of Chantecler was created by Dr Wilkinson of Alberta beginning in 1919. He actually created many different colors/varieties but only the Partridge was accepted. He created them for similar reasons as brother Wilfred - as a winter hardy bird to reduce the economic losses caused by frostbite. My sources are Dr Wilkinson's own article in the 1935 Canadian Poultryman the year they were accepted into the APA & an archive from the Timm's collection in the Glenbow Museum in Canada. (Both have been reported in the Chantecler Fanciers newsletter & archive). In fact, the PartridgeAlbertan was exported to England in 1935 and was shown in Germany and other countries prior to that.

BTW, contrary to what some sources report, Dr Wilkinson himself made it clear he understood why the Albertan was accepted as a Chantecler by the APA & was not "devastated" as some sources cite without reference.

The controversy confused me when I became interested and was part of what prompted me to search out the truth. I also have histories of most of the major lines of both the white and partridge that people have been so kind and generous to share.

Shello, I'm sorry for having stuck my beak into your pie. Every once in a while, I get myself stuck into a peeing contest when I really have no stomach for it.

In truth, I don't even own any of the birds that are under discussion but my adult children who live in my house have taken a fancy to them and several examples from a well known Canadian breeder have found their way here. The history provided to me is contrary to yours, so I suppose if one looks hard enough at the xenoglossia to be found on the internet, anyone's point of view can be proven.

Carry on....

 

[Shello]

Shello, I'm sorry for having stuck my beak into your pie. Every once in a while, I get myself stuck into a peeing contest when I really have no stomach for it.

In truth, I don't even own any of the birds that are under discussion but my adult children who live in my house have taken a fancy to them and several examples from a well known Canadian breeder have found their way here. The history provided to me is contrary to yours, so I suppose if one looks hard enough at the xenoglossia to be found on the internet, anyone's point of view can be proven.

Carry on....

No problem - no peeing contest, you are correct that there is quite a bit of incorrect information on the internet which is part of why I started my research - to find the "truth" and to understand where my Partridge have come from so I can plan where to take them in the future.

 

[RhodeRunner]

Shello, I don't mean any disrespect but I've read several 'histories' on the breeds as well and the ones that make most sense to me are those which has the Albertan being developed near 40 years after 1918. All of my reading leads me to believe that the bird you call Partridge Chantecler is, from my understand, one of said Albertans.

Then comes along The Buffs and Reds...where does it end?

Edited to add....there seems to be a lot of revisionists history floating around these breeds, much of it aimed at trying to change the clock and have a place of acceptance for the off-color batardes of the Chanticler.

The American Poultry Association is responsible for accepting, declining, naming, and standardizing breeds that are within North America. If a bird is developed to have the same bodily type and purpose as a currently recognized breed, it will simply be recognized as another color variety. We see this with the Plymouth Rock, Cochin, Silkie, Brahma, Wyandotte, and a zillion other breeds. The Chantecler is no different.

 

[cppeace]

Hi everyone. I've heard great things about Chanteclers and am interested in them. I am wanting a good meat bird and I've heard that these have good breast meat and are at processing weight by 4 months. I've also heard they are flighty. Would I have to worry about them getting over a 6 ft fence?

 

[blkjak]

My Chantys are not flighty at all. Very friendly. Full of personality.

 

[cppeace]

My Chantys are not flighty at all. Very friendly. Full of personality.

thanks, good to know