Charcoal W/E Peacock

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  1. frenchblackcopper

    frenchblackcopper Chillin' With My Peeps

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    First season breeding with my Charcoal W/E split to Silver Pied peacock,,and I have some "odd" hens.I have a 1Bronze,1Cameo W/E,1Purple W/E,and 2 silver pied hens.Would this be a good breeding set?
     
  2. Arbor

    Arbor Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I'm not sure how being split to silver pied will affect the patterns, but the colours should be as following:

    your male on bronze will produce offspring that will be split to both colours but look blue and will probably be w/e (if the male has all w/e in his train, all offspring will carry one copy of the gene)

    your male on cameo or purple w/e will produce males that are blue in colour, but split to both charcoal and the colour of the hen and be all white eyed. Hens will also be w/e, but will be blue in colour and only split to charcoal.

    your male on silver pied hens will produce all offspring that are charcoal split, with all being w/e, some pied, some white, some pied white eyed and some silver pied with potential for dark pied as well. Someone may want to correct this if I'm wrong, I'm doing this a bit on the fly.
     
  3. bandbaustin

    bandbaustin Chillin' With My Peeps

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    those silver pied hens i would think would be your best choice. You could get silver pied chicks split charcoal. Breed one of those chicks back to the father and you could get charcoal silver pieds. Those would be awesome.
     
  4. AquaEyes

    AquaEyes Chillin' With My Peeps

    "Silver Pied" isn't one gene, so a bird can't be "split to Silver Pied." Silver Pied is a combination of having one White gene and one Pied gene, and being homozygous for White Eyed. Your Charcoal White Eyed is either split to White or split to Pied, but can't be split to both because White and Pied are alleles in peafowl.
     
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  5. frenchblackcopper

    frenchblackcopper Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I think my male got his W/E from silver pied,and his train is full of W/E. He's rather shy tho,and being with a harem of hens by himself may intimidate him.I'm trying to get the best hen combinations I have with him and these hens I don't have a same color male for,they were 1hatch wonders.
     
  6. AquaEyes

    AquaEyes Chillin' With My Peeps

    Do you know what the parents of your male were? If, as you say, "his train is full of W/E" then that would lead me to believe he has two copies of the White Eye gene. Having one copy would mean he'd have about half of his train-eyes white. So if he has two copies of the gene, that means each of his parents had at least one copy of the gene. If both of his parents were Silver Pied, but your bird is not Silver Pied and is not completely white, then there is only one thing he could be genetically with respect to the genes making the Silver Pied pattern -- Dark Pied White Eye (two copies of Pied, two copies of White Eye). If only one of his parents was Silver Pied, then he could also be either split to Pied or split to White. In either of these cases, the only way to get Silver Pied offspring would be with the Silver Pied hens, and the probability would be about 50% if your male is Dark Pied, or 25% if he's either split to Pied or split to White.

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    ETA -- do you have a pic of your male? If I can figure out exactly what he is, I can plot out probabilities for offspring from each hen. Also, your White Eyed hens -- do they have one copy of the White Eyed gene or two?
     
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  7. frenchblackcopper

    frenchblackcopper Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Aqua Eyes,my lone Charcoal W/E male hatched from an egg from BigCreekpoultry,,Jeanna knows exactly what's behind his breeding,as well as my lone Cameo w/e hen that was from her eggs..From what she tells me of all the charcoal eggs she has sold,mine was the only one to hatch out a male.My media card reader on my puter took a dump last last week,but if the sun shines tomorrow I will try and get pics with my daughters camera. ,my purple w/e hen has maybe 10 white feathers scattered across her back and the two other purple hens I have came from the same guy,same pen,but they have no white feathers showing on them anywhere,my bronze hen is 100% bronze as far as I know,and the silver pieds,,I'm having trouble deciding if 1 maybe a male,as the spurs are rather long on both of the pieds and it's tail is longer,,but never seen that one display yet,,not that's 100% proof either.
     
  8. deerman

    deerman Rest in Peace 1949-2012

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    Best bet would be the silver pied hens. Your charcoal we peacock is either split white or pied. For sure not a darkpied pied. Because both parents would had to be silver pieds., and both would need. Charcoal or split charcoal. I know of the father of your peacock.now the mother would have been split charcoal. If you can find hens split charcoal. That would be your best.

    So without know what his mother was split to.other than charcoal...not sure your peacock is split to.

    Hint pied xnon pied give half split pied(no white flights). Half split white(chicks with white flights) mate one of each to get pieds.
     
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  9. deerman

    deerman Rest in Peace 1949-2012

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    Look at a few of the silver pied hens back feather..if no barring hens..of they still have barring then cock birds
     
  10. frenchblackcopper

    frenchblackcopper Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Deerman, I'll go outside tonight and look with a flashlite at their backs while they are roosting,,I gotta get my media card reader fixed so pictures can be taken and uploaded.I did look closely at the smaller of these two birds today,,she has more silver-gray feathers on her that the other,larger-taller one,and she has no barring in the gray colored feathers,,but the bigger one,,I'll have to examine more close.
     

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