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[JacinLarkwell]

 

[ShrekDawg]

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Nice!

 

[pipdzipdnreadytogo]

Great! Thanks! You!?

Not too shabby! Just put lunch in the oven and rewarded myself for all that work with a little hot cocoa and a cookie.

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That's a lot of fluff!

 

[fluffycrow]

Oooh, that's tough. I'm not honestly sure. I see a lot of heterozygosity in those birds that would make predicting their offspring very difficult if not mostly impossible.

We know based on his chicks with Cruella that Lady Gaga carries mottling (assuming that they are feathering mottled and weren't just very light-colored chicks). That picture makes him look more dun than blue as opposed to the previous picture, so now I'm wondering if he isn't just dun or platinum and that's why some of his chicks with Cruella were brownish, instead of that being because of him carrying a chocolate gene as I had speculated before. At any rate, that would mean that he could pass dun and blue (or one or the other if he only has one) to some of his chicks as well. So any of my answers also have the addition of maybe also black plumage being diluted to dun or blue as well, and possibly mottling popping up if both parties carry it.

The first hen has a heavily melanized silver partridge type of look to her to me, maybe heavily melanized silver duckwing. Pattern gene might be present there, I'm not totally sure. Crossing Lady Gaga to her I could see making something intermediate of their patterns, less black than her but more visible lacing than him perhaps? He is gold-based while she is silver based, so you should get gold-based daughters and gold-silver split sons that look silver at first from that pairing, but whether they will be sexable at hatch from that depends on other genes present in them so it's not a guarantee you'll know right of the bat.

The second hen looks like she is, indeed, wheaten. I'm not sure what we determined Lady Gaga's e-locus gene(s) was(/were) before, if we did at all, so that makes it tricky to guess what will come from her. Wheaten kind of falls in the middle as far as dominance of the e-locus goes. So what he produces with her entirely depends on what he has at that locus. They could be similar to her, or more similar to him. Her sons, of course, will be different from her either way because wheaten males look drastically different from wheaten females, appearing the same as duckwing males instead.

The last one is definitely mottled, so if Lady Gaga is carrying the gene, you'll get mottled babies from her for sure. Her base coloring looks like black tailed buff or maybe wheaten under her mottling. If she's BTB, then her chicks should resemble her mostly, possibly slightly darker due to genes that Gaga appears to have, and maybe with darker flecks here and there resembling mille fleur. If she's wheaten, then it's the same as the above hen, hard to predict for sure.

That's mostly speculation based on what the birds look like and how the genes I assume they have should behave, so no guarantees of course. You could get something totally different from any of that if the right genes are hiding in them. Sorry that's not really much help!

On the contrary! This is all super interesting, even if it's mostly speculative. No, I don't believe we've though about Gaga's Locus gene, I have no clue what that is! Thanks again! This gives me a lot to think about and research

 

[fluffycrow]

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Looks good!

 

[ShrekDawg]

Not too shabby! Just put lunch in the oven and rewarded myself for all that work with a little hot cocoa and a cookie.




That's a lot of fluff!

Nice!!! Sounds delicious

 

[ShrekDawg]

Looks good!

Thanks!! It was!!!

 

[pipdzipdnreadytogo]

On the contrary! This is all super interesting, even if it's mostly speculative. No, I don't believe we've though about Gaga's Locus gene, I have no clue what that is! Thanks again! This gives me a lot to think about and research

I'm glad I was able to give you something to think about at least!

As far as what the e-locus is, I apologize that I got a bit ahead of myself on that! A locus is a spot along the DNA strand where a specific gene or set of genes can be found. The e-locus is where the 'e' genes are, and these are the genes that basically control how much black is in the plumage and how it's arranged. At that locus, e+ is wildtype duckwing, E is extended black (essentially solid black), E^R is birchen, E^Wh is wheaten, e^b is partridge, and there are a few more theorized but not studied well enough to know for sure the dominance or behavior. With other genes of other loci involved, these base patterns can be transformed into the many other plumage patterns seen in chickens. I believe dominance goes E>E^R>E^Wh>e^b>e+. I really doubt Gaga is E and I don't think he is E^R, though with the right combination of other genes an E^R bird could look similar to him. However, some weird stuff can happen with pairings of E^Wh and e+ as well from what I have read, so that's where it's kind of tough to say what will happen because we don't know what specific gene or genes Gaga has at that locus.

I hope I explained that in a way that wasn't just more confusing! Let me know if not and I'm happy to try to explain in more detail.

 

[fluffycrow]

I'm glad I was able to give you something to think about at least!

As far as what the e-locus is, I apologize that I got a bit ahead of myself on that! A locus is a spot along the DNA strand where a specific gene or set of genes can be found. The e-locus is where the 'e' genes are, and these are the genes that basically control how much black is in the plumage and how it's arranged. At that locus, e+ is wildtype duckwing, E is extended black (essentially solid black), E^R is birchen, E^Wh is wheaten, e^b is partridge, and there are a few more theorized but not studied well enough to know for sure the dominance or behavior. With other genes of other loci involved, these base patterns can be transformed into the many other plumage patterns seen in chickens. I believe dominance goes E>E^R>E^Wh>e^b>e+. I really doubt Gaga is E and I don't think he is E^R, though with the right combination of other genes an E^R bird could look similar to him. However, some weird stuff can happen with pairings of E^Wh and e+ as well from what I have read, so that's where it's kind of tough to say what will happen because we don't know what specific gene or genes Gaga has at that locus.

I hope I explained that in a way that wasn't just more confusing! Let me know if not and I'm happy to try to explain in more detail.

This was extremely insightful, thanks! That means that his female chicks with the second pullet would resemble her, most likely, right? So I assume the first pullet is E^R, or something along the lines of that, while the last pullet is more so close to a E^Wh as well? Thanks again pipd, I'm learning so much through this process!

 

[pipdzipdnreadytogo]

Wheaten is likely to come through as dominant in that cross, but not guaranteed. It depends on what Gaga has at his e-locus, and what other genes he has that might change their pattern or coloring a little.

The first pullet, to me, looks like a melanized e+ or e^b. Basically, wildtype or partridge patterned with an additional gene or genes that make more black come through on her. She has too much of that grayish stippling in the wings and chest for E^R in my opinion. That's why I suspect that her chicks with Gaga would end up intermediate between those two in patterning, because I feel like it's likely Gaga is E^Wh, e^b, or e+, himself, and their chicks would be heterozygous for the melanizer(s) she has or not inherit them at all.

I would assume the last pullet is either E^Wh or e^b based on her traits, leaning toward E^Wh, yes.