Cheating allowed and ENCOURAGED?!

teach1...you hit the nail on the head with the way testing is formatted...

I have a friend whose son is dyxlexic (a word I can't spell) but who is a math whiz, doing calculus in 7th grade. He failed his math TAKS test. Why? Because even with a 502 plan in place, no provisions were made for him. On the retake, with the required provisions in place, he got a commended. With his learning disability, even the practice tests are supposed to be done with the required provisions, none are.

Also, standardized testing is difficult for very bright children because they often think outside the box. A straight forward multiple choice question may have more than one correct answer for a well read, exceptionally bright child.

Standardized testing makes the curriculum smaller, based on only what is on the test and not allowing teachers freedom to adjust to the students needs. Here in Texas, you can't teach any science concepts that are in a higher year's curriculum. You can't advance a concept in class, or for a group of students if that concept is to be taught in the next grade. Standardized tests are not about generalized learning or the ability to learn, they are about how a child has learned a specific subject, taught in a specific way. The writing style that works for the TAKS test here overly florid, and awards "WOW" words. A tight, contained, spare style of writing doesn't pass for fourth grade. They also only test narrative writing, all other writing or styles are not tested. This means a florid, narrative style of writing is ALL that is focused on because that is what is needed to pass the test. My kid, who is good at math, didn't do very well on some standardized testing, because he really didn't get why he should have to fill out all the silly place part boxes for ones, tens, and hundreds to add the numbers together. He just added, all the rest wasn't important to him. His homework was frustrating because of the expectations of work at a level that he was far ahead of.
 
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Completely agree! I think it orgininated with good intentions; there's nothing wrong with holding teachers accountable for doing the best job possible and/or holding schools accountable for providing high levels of education to all students. But NCLB quickly developed into some Frankenstein monster that the villagers need to rise up against with pitchforks and torches. Always makes me think of "The road to Hell..."
 
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Amen!

Schools spend most of the school year prepping for the testing. Learning only what is on the test and how to test. While knowing how to test is a good thing for students, it should not be a focus.


I had a teacher "suggest" I could opt my son out due to IEP. She even had the school principal call and "suggest" the same thing. Both were not pleased with my reply that if you are failing him in the classroom, you will also be failing yourself when he takes the test.
 
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This is why we have so many "professionals" that really are anything but. How to get through grade school? Cheat. High school? Cheat. College? Cheat.

dont get me started on those college footballl players, some have a roomtemp IQ. My husband knew a FL Gator player like that.
 
The sad thing is, it wasn't the teachers, it was the non-teaching support staff. It's sad, teachers are forced teach for the tests. I don't like standardized tests, I have them all the time now that I'm in public school and I think it's a detriment to my learning. At my old school I had 1 big test a year, now I've had 6 big tests already and it's only the 6th week of school! I think they should cut the other tests and just stick with the big end of the year test and the county and the state need to stop demanding all these additional test score and stop being so overbearing, it just hinders the schools.
 
All of these posts, and lots of discussion about tests, but nothing about a whole school system, which embraced cheating, all the way up to its highest ranks, because they weren't capable of, or chose not to make the grade, through hard work and determination.

It is time we dealt with a morality, which says; If it's too hard, just give up and cheat.

There are certain occupations where taking the shortcut will get you killed.

Sadly, those with a strong moral core, and a Do right at all times attitude, end up on the short end of the stick, because we've all been conditioned to take the easy way out.
 
The other funny thing is our definition of cheating. We so focus on competition and the perception of individual merit that we try to categorize everything. Children come here from other countries that foster cooperation and they are flabbergasted by our insistence that your classmates cannot help you if you are confused.

I am not saying that such other country's attitudes are right or better. But they are at least not "Wrong". We teach kids to hate group projects. But, life IS a group project. Your entire life is interactive with others. We are interdependent to an astonishing degree.....
 
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The other funny thing is our definition of cheating. We so focus on competition and the perception of individual merit that we try to categorize everything. Children come here from other countries that foster cooperation and they are flabbergasted by our insistence that your classmates cannot help you if you are confused.

I am not saying that such other country's attitudes are right or better. But they are at least not "Wrong". We teach kids to hate group projects. But, life IS a group project. Your entire life is interactive with others. We are interdependent to an astonishing degree.....

Nothing wrong with group projects, if it's for the betterment of the individual. I see the result of those projects, every time a see a group of city street workers. Two people doing the work, two flagmen, two shovel leaners and an overweight supervisor.

There are too many people willing to ride someone else's coattails to glory, and then, want an equal part of the prize.

Until we get back to embracing a moral code which punishes liars and cheaters, nothing is going to improve....Even in life pursuits, where competition is heavy, as in sports, people cheat, if they think they can get away with it....From steriod use to cheap shots, in a game.​
 

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