Chick Grower? Flock Raiser? All Flock?

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There are different types of feed. Other than calcium in Layer, the main difference in them is the percent protein in the feed. Different brands come in different per cent protein. I’ll give some “normal” ranges, but certain brands can be a bit different. And I’m only listing the ones recommended for chickens to keep it simpler.

Starter – 22 % to 24%
Grower – 16%
Developer or Grower/Developer – 15%
Combined Starter/Grower – 20%
Layer – 16%
Flock Raiser – 20%

A lot of studies have been made concerning what should be fed when. These studies are based on the commercial chicken industry and center around efficiency. They are looking at the most inexpensive feeds that will grow the chickens to where they are laying the best eggs at the best size at the right time when they are raised under commercial conditions. They are also using special chickens bred for the commercial egg laying industry, not the chicken breeds you probably have. My point is that we can learn a lot from these studies, but don’t get too hung up on them. We are generally not commercial chicken raisers.

We do a lot of different things and they all pretty much work. In my opinion, the general idea should be to give them a fairly high protein feed the first 4 to 8 weeks to give them a good start in life and help them get feathered out faster. Then I like to back off the protein content some to allow their body to mature as it grows. I don’t want their body to develop faster than the skeleton that has to support it, for example. Don’t get too stressed out by this though. You range of what is OK is pretty wide.

I’d suggest for the first 4 to 8 weeks, you either feed a Starter, maybe 22% to 24% protein, then whenever that bag runs out after 4 weeks, switch to a 16% Grower or a 20% Starter/Grower or 20% Flock Raiser. If the Starter is not available, you can use a 20% Starter/Grower combination or 20% Flock Raiser. You can feed a 20% feed from Day 1 until you switch to Layer. After 13 weeks or so of age, you can switch to a 15% Developer or Grower/Developer until you switch to Layer. It really does not matter. The confusion comes in because so many things work, not because you are that limited.

The only rules I have for feeding my chicks is to not feed them high levels of calcium until they start to lay or hit 20 weeks of age. This is backed up by studies where they feed the chicks Layer from Day 1 and cut the chicks open to look at the internal organs. Excess calcium can cause damage to growing chicks.

My other rule is just a personal preference type of thing. After the Starter runs out somewhere between 4 to 8 weeks of age, I don’t feed anything higher in protein than 20%. I want my layers to mature as they grow and not outgrow their maturity, skeleton as well as internal organ development. I don’t have any studies to back that up, just a personal preference.

All the major brands of chicken feed are ground up pretty fine, then they may be reformed into pellets or crumbles. There is no real difference in the nutrition in them because of the shape. And since they have previously been ground up, the chicken does not need grit to grind up crumbles or pellets in its gizzard. The different shapes (mash, crumbles, or pellets) are for different automatic feeding systems. I have had chicks that would not eat the bigger pieces of the crumbles, so I ground those up in a food processor, but after three or four days, they preferred the larger pieces. I’ve never had a problem with older chickens not eating the pellets if they got a little hungry.

Not all starter is medicated. You really need to look at the label if it is medicated to see if it is medicated and what the “medicated” part is. Usually it is Amprolium or some variation of that, but not always. If it is an Amprolium-type product, it is not an antibiotic. In the levels in the medicated feed, it simply reduces the number of protozoa that can cause Coccidiosis that reproduce in the chick’s intestines. It does not kill all of them and does not stop them all from breeding, just reduces the numbers that reproduce. The chick can still build up immunity to that variety of protozoa. There are different types of protozoa that can cause Coccidiosis. Immunity to one does not give immunity to all. Coccidiosis becomes a problem when the numbers of the protozoa get out of hand. Smaller numbers are not a problem.

Many of us don’t feed medicated feed. There is absolutely nothing wrong with feeding chicks medicated Starter. It does not hurt a thing. If Coccidiosis is a problem for you, it can be a good thing. But for a lot of us, it is not necessary.
 
Quote: I have heard this from several people, and it very well may be the case. Personally, I still hold my opinion, as do others, and will not be reccomending medicated feed. That being said that doesn't mean I am 100% right or wrong, its just how I do things. But, they say an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, so if you chose to feed medicated, thats your choice and I can see the reasons why you would. I want to reiterate that is just my personal opinion and should be taken only as such. I am not, nor will I ever be, the be all-end all answer on how to raise poultry.
 
Personally I think it's a misunderstanding of how the "medication" works. It's not a penicillin type thing. Not an antibiotic or anything. On another thread it was clarified. What I couldn't remember is that it is a substance that messes with the proteins of the protazoa that cause coccid. This way it helps to control the numbers of them while chicks develop a natural immunity. It's not "medicated" in the sense that some think of it at all. I will continue to use the stuff but of course we're all free to make up our own minds and should respect each other's opinions. I simply think that most of the time the word "medicated" makes folks think it's something it's not.
 
That is good, but it's geared to the commercial poultry industry. They'd need to give more preventatives since they're raising them in such crowded conditions.
 
I would never give chicks adult food. If you do, it makes the girls grow too fast and leads to prolapsed vents and laying problems. It can also damage their kidneys. So I use medicated Chick Starter up until 8 weeks and then I use Nonmedicated Chick Grower from 8 to 20 weeks, and then from now on I'll use All Flock/Flock Raiser/Nonmedicated Chick Grower.

I bought the All Flock product by Nutrena, and so far everyone likes it. I was worried it might result in soft shells, since my girls don't seem to care too much for oystershell given free choice, but so far so good. In fact, one girl laid an egg that is 3 times larger than usual, and I suspect it has 3 yolks! Nice hard shells, too.

If anything, my girls are laying a bit better on All Flock. And it's so nice not to have to worry about my Roo getting too much calcium. Although didn't someone post that Flock Raiser actually has less calcium in it than All Flock? If so, I'll buy Flock Raiser next time.

What I can't decide is whether Apple Cider Vinegar in the drinking water is bad for roosters? If it is true that ACV aids calcium absorption and helps hens lay hard-shelled eggs, it may not be good for roosters who don't need so much calcium? What do you think?

But I've read it can also help ward off respiratory problems and worms, so would its benefits counteract its negatives for a rooster? Who is an expert who would know?
 
Oh, I see what you mean. Flock Raiser and All Flock have low levels of calcium, at least lower than Laying Mash, so they might be fine to feed to chicks who are 8-20 weeks old. And I might go with a medicated version of it for chicks 0-8 weeks old.
 
Galanie,

you may be right, those of us who distrust medicated feed may have a misunderstanding of what it does and how it works, Ive been know to be wrong before haha. HOWEVER it says on the bag of medicated feed (I went to feed store and did some research), under active drug ingredient: As an aid to the prevention of coccidiosis where immunity to coccidiosis is not desired. Merk produces Amprol Plus (amprolium with ethopabate) which is what is commonly used as the antococcidial agent in commercial chick feeds. The product lable of Amprol Plus (http://www.cvear.com/docs/pdf/label/Amprol_25_type_A_Label.pdf) states biasically the same thing but in a touch more detail : Aid in prevention of coccidiosis where immunity development is not desired. This is very telling to me and substantiates my claim that the use of amprolium in medicated chick feed prevents them from developing a natural immunity to the disease, although I may be interpreting the lables wrong, as I so very often am (at least according to my wife).

THAT BEING SAID! If you do decide to use medicated chick starter/grower, it is a viable option and if it works well for you, by all means use it! I do not want to be misunderstood and have people think I either look down upon, or think less of people who do chose to feed medicated. I do agree that it is a very decent option especially for people who may raise large amounts of chicks at one time or for people who depend on a high survival rate because their chickens may be a source of income. I do not feel that medicated feed is nessecary or the best option for those of us with a small or medium backyard flock, but it doesn't mean it is necessarily a bad option or a poor decision either. Chickens are not rocket science and what works for one person doesnt always work for another.

ClareScifi,

A lot of what people feed their chicks (chick vs. adult food) is dependant on the breed and purpose of the chicken. For eaxmple, I would not feed an exssesively high protein food to baby LF brahmas or cochins as they are very slow to mature and it might cause their bodies to grow faster then their skeletons can support it. On the other hand, a very fast maturing breed may benefit from a higher protein intake as babies because they are growing and developing at a much higher rate. I would not, however EVER give chicks laying mash due the excessive amounts of calcium which can have baaaad consequences (for humans too, actually). But giving chicks flock raiser or all flock will probably not hurt them despite it being an "adult" feed.

The difference in the amount of calcium in All Flock vs. Flock Raiser is probably negligable and I would say that both brands are very comparable in their nutrition aspects.

Giving apple cider vinegar to aid in calcium absorption will not harm your roosters. Roosters do need calcium, but in not the same amount that a hen does. What you need to watch with roosters is calcium intake not absorption. Adding ACV to your water would benefit your roosters in the same way that it does your hens, it just goes towards different things in their bodies. As long as your roosters are not eating a too calcium rich diet in the first place, the extra help they get from ACV will not be harmful at all.
 
What I am worried about with my rooster is the fact that I had him on layer mash from about age 20 weeks to age 23 weeks, before I switched him over to All Flock. Should I wait a while before giving him Apple Cider Vinegar?

Right now he's mad at me, penned in the coop while the girls are eating their laying mash. Since 2 are half white leghorn, they need the mash, according to a Ph.D. poultry expert I consulted. The other hens can get by fine on All Flock, he said. Like you say, it depends on the breed, as to what to feed. He said leghorns do best with laying mash. I have to be careful not to let the rooster have access to their laying mash, and it is a juggling act.

Do you think I could have permanently damaged my roo's kidneys by feeding him laying mash for 3 weeks? Could he still absorb that with the ACV in his water, or should the excess calcium be out of his system by now? I am trying to give him lots of greens in hopes the water in them will help flush his kidneys.
 
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