Chicken owner charged after shooting dog.

[lone cedar farm]

Yep, the dog owners fault for not having the dog on a lease, people kill me with the idea my cute little peachs

wouldnt hurt a fly and she needs her excercise,I love her and you should too! After all peachs is worth a whole lot more than a stupid chicken.

Why I'll blast peachs butt as quick as I would a rabid coon........stupid people!!

KEEP YOUR STINKING DOGS OUT OF MY YARD!!!!

 

[horsejody]

Mr. Harris has sent me another e-mail. I have asked for his permission to post the entire e-mail on the forum. If he agrees, I will post the whole thing. It seems that Mr. Harris has had quite a few negative exerience with dogs on his property because of the people that insist on using other people's property as their private dog park. On at leat 3 occasions he has been menaced in his own yard by dogs displaying pack mentality. He has kids that he is afraid for. His birds have suffered broken necks, broken wings and severe stress from being tormented by these dogs, even though they are in their own secure chicken run. Fencing his property is not an option. Mr. Harris also has a health issue that makes it particularly dangerous for him to confront a dog.

 

[scbatz33]

Folks have been so quick to judge Mr. Harris's actions. I hope he gives permission to post the email, Horsejody. There is ALWAYS more to these things than meets the eye.

I am not surprised that Mr H has had more than one dog incident, considering his proximity to the "wooded area". Further, I have had dogs come after me and my children and dogs while walking down the street. It is a TERRIFYING experience!! You never know what one, much less a pack, of unattended dogs will do. Fortunately, I have not had to deal with it on my property, but I know I wouldn't hesitate to defend myself or my property, ESPECIALLY for repeat offenders.

Hang in there Mr Harris!!

 

[Rillion]

A dog-loving friend came over last night to visit. When we got to talking about this subject and I acknowledged that I would be willing to shoot a dog to protect my hens if it came to that, he was appalled-- "Are you serious? But chickens are livestock, not pets! No chicken can love you like a dog can." I said "First of all, chickens are pets to me. Second of all, it's not about who can love me more. It's about protecting my property against something trying to destroy it."

Since my friend is a huge libertarian and is all about property rights, that got through to him. He just said he hopes that I'd never have a need to shoot a dog. My reply: "I certainly hope so too!"

 

[ellenofdappletree]

I have both dogs and chickens. And I love them both. But I am not about to shoot my dog, or anybody else's for that matter, if they kill my chickens. My dogs are my pets, my chickens are my pets. I value them all.

My neighbors dog recently tore all the feathers out of my chickens behind and left a huge gash, and you know what? I didn't run for my gun or for the sheriff, I ran to the drugstore for some betadine and neosporin. Shooting my neighbors dog would accomplish nothing but cause both of us more pain. I think we as a society get a little too trigger happy when it comes to dogs, just because "the law says I can shoot any animal that is with my livestock". Just because the law condones something doesn't make it right.

It especially makes me nuts when people who freerange their chicken are shocked when a predator gets to them. That's part of the risks of freeranging. Its not ever going to go away. If you want them to be safe at all times put them in a pen.

We give all sorts of excuses to rationalize the shooting of other peoples pets. "well you wouldn't feel the same if it was your chicken" "well what if it was your kid instead of a chicken?""I've lost loads of chickens". Well we have all lost chickens, and it wasn't his kid, alright? When I was in college, I had a horse chased through a barbed wire fence by the neighbors dogs, which cost me loads of money in vet bills.

I know as well as everyone else that dogs, wild animals and even people cause problems and endanger our animals and tough decisions have to be made. But shooting someones pet or chicken or wherever should always be a very hard decision and a last resort. Not jumped to as the first solution because "the law says I can", which I fear happens all too often.

 

[Rillion]

I agree pretty much with what you said, ellenofdappletree, but neighbors need to be held accountable when they allow their dogs to run loose and they cause havoc on other people's property. A chicken owner shouldn't have to just suck it up, collect the corpses in their yard, and accept the loss. And when a dog becomes a serial chicken killer and its owner is doing nothing about it, I can't blame the chicken keeper who loses his/her patience and decides to finally shoot it.

 

[WalkingWolf]

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Dogs at large DO maim and injure children, we have had a child attacked 10 years ago here by a dog at large, my neighbor shot the dog with a shotgun. Thank god he was home or the mutilated for life child would have been killed. Though the male part of the dog owning family apologized and accepted his citation. The female half ranted and raved and screamed at the killing of her dog.

Just in case their are any doubts you should google images of dog attacks, study them, and then justify a dog at large.

 

[NYREDS]

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According to Wikipedia (...so who knows...

), Redmond was incorporated on July 6, 1910. So, it would appear that Redmond is, indeed, an incorporated city.

Moreover, according to the letter Jody got back from the DA's office, the DA seemed more concerned with the firing of a weapon within city limits than with anything else. Assuming the DA and Police Dept. know where the city limits begin and end, that would mean Mr. Harris killed a dog for chasing chickens within the corporate limits of a city...which would seem to be an extremely direct violation of ORS 609.150 (3).

And when I say extremely direct, I mean...it looks like the law was specifically written to prevent Mr. Harris from specifically doing what he specifically did...

Like..very specifically...troublingly specifically....eerily specifically..

I'm not so sure about the part I bolded in your statement, only because it is my understanding that a corperate limits of a city would be a business district or downtown area. City limits just means within the city in general. He shot the dog on private property, not in coperate limits, which according to their law is legal.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but if you do correct me, please explain and give good definations. Lol I want to learn, not just be told "you are wrong".

The Corporate Limits of the city refers to that area defined by the city's Articles of Incorporation. This would, of course, include private property as would the business district or downtown area.
Owning property does not exempt one from any law local state or federal.

 

[horsejody]

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Many of us have chickens and dogs, and we love them both. However, if a neighbor cares so little about their dog that we have to decide which pet is more important, ours or the neighbor's, ours will normally win out. If you have read the posts, you should know that the dog shot was taken out by its owner so that it he could use somebody else's private property as a dog park. The chicken owner has been menaced by strays on his property and his chickens have suffered terribly for it. The dog owner even stated in a public interview that he may still continue to take his other dog to run unsupervised at the same location. If the dog owner cares so little about his dog, why should anybody else, especially if the dog is tormenting and killing pets?

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It doesn't make it wrong either. 99% of the time when a dog gets shot it was as a last resort. You may not care if your neighbor's dog tortures and kills your birds, but a lot of people do.

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I guess you really haven't read the previous posts. The chickens were in a pen. Putting them in a pen doesn't make them safe, especially when dogs are concerned. The chicken owner that shot the dog has had a problem with dogs harassing his birds from outside the run and causing them to suffer from broken necks and wings. People put a lot of time, energy, expense and love into their pet chickens. The life of a stray dog is not more valuable than the life of any other pet.

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Well good for your neighbor because they get to let their dogs roam with no consequences because you don't mind paying. Good for you because you don't mind spending loads in vet bills to spare the neighbors the grief of losing their dogs. Bad for your pets, because they are suffering the consequences. Basically, what I am saying is that dog owners need to take responsibility for their animals actions. They need to keep them on their own property. Horses shouldn't have to endure being run through a fence. Chickens shouldn't have to be torn to pieces by dogs. No pet should have to suffer because another pet is loose and out of control. BTW, no, it wasn't his kids that were being killed by the dog, but the dog wasn't anybody's kid either.

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What makes you think that ther person this post was written about didn't have a hard time with decision? What makes you think it wasn't a last resort? What makes you think that he jumped to this decision? You may fear that it happens all too often, but the reality is that it wouldn't happen at all if dogs were kept properly.

 

[Brindlebtch]

My dogs and I have been attacked on multiple occasions by loose dogs while I have been walking my dogs on leash in a suburban neighborhood.

One time we were seriously attacked at 6am by 2 dogs that came running out of their open backyard gate and started biting and circling us. I was bellowing NO at the top of my voice and kicking and trying to keep my dogs under control. It was awful. I finally woke the owner and neighbors with my yelling and they came out and got the dogs. The owner of the dogs was very lucky I'm not the suing type and the offending dogs disappeared shortly after that. I figured that the owner figured the next person would sue.

Another time there was a big black dog that would see us coming and jump his 4 ft backyard fence and hassle us. This happened over and over. Finally one of my dogs got hold of its face and the dog was screaming and trying to get away. It finally got away and jumped back into it's backyard. Now the owner never heard his dog barking and growling at us and never intervened. However he did manage to hear his dog screaming and came out of his house and yelled right at my face about how I was paying the vet bills. I'm standing in the middle of the street with my dogs on leash. Yeah, right. We had a brief discussion and he changed his mind about me having to pay.

Old folks walking in our neighborhood carry a golf club or a bat because they have been menaced by loose dogs. Thats crazy! Old folks shouldn't have to carry things to defend themselves against possible dog attack!

People shouldn't have to fear strange dogs in their own yard destroying and killing things. Not just chickens, but anything.

Loose dogs are unacceptable in today's society. I own dogs and I own chickens and I love them both. My chickens are unavailable to loose dogs but one of my dogs would like a chicken dinner and I am very careful it doesn't happen. I wouldn't shoot MY dog, but would understand if someone else felt they had to if one of my dogs was attacking something of theirs. I would be heartbroken and feel guilty as heck because I caused they death of my dog, but I would understand. I would also probably be in all sorts of legal trouble. That is why I never ever let my dogs run loose except on my own fenced property. Dogs belong on their property unless they are on leash.