Have you tried giving her yogurt to put probiotics into her system?
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Oops, soorry, I see you are giving her a probiotic powder. Just trying to help. Poor little Lemon!Have you tried giving her yogurt to put probiotics into her system?
I lost a hen with similar symptoms. I tried deworming, coccidiosis treatment (corrid feed), electrolytes, and antibiotics with no success. (Not at the same time, haha.) Fought whatever it was for a couple of weeks. I'd been looking at what would cause her symptoms and I found this:
- Watery greenish diarrhea
- Reduced appetite
- Reduced egg production / no egg production
Whatever happened with poor Lemon? I have a hen that has similar issues. I treated with Corid. She is better, but not great.Lemon Log: Day 63
- Over the past 24 hours:
- Weight change: +100g (due to fluid injections, see below)
- 1 bowel movement (see notes from past few days)
- Crop size didn't decrease much overnight. This is the first morning in weeks where her crop has not drained after vomiting the evening before + tube feeding.
- Activity level:
- Lemon can no longer stand up. She will attempt to "crawl" a few steps and/or flap her wings to lift her weight.
- The antibiotics appear to have caused a huge "nose dive" in Lemon's health. My understanding is that antibiotics kill both good and bad bacteria - They appear to have killed off probiotics in Lemon's digestive system, resulting in the sudden drop in bowel movements.
- I'm stopping antibiotic treatment, given results are the opposite of expectations.
- Although her body is weak, her mind is still 100% normal. When I take her outside for a few minutes each day, she gives "warning" noises if she sees squirrels or birds. She "tells off" other chickens when they're too close. She's still super excited to eat treats, she drinks water, etc. Her eyes are still full of life, alert, and focused (not zombie chicken, not 1,000 yard stare, not cloudy).
- Treatment yesterday:
- Tube feeding: 1.5tsp peanut butter, egg yolk, probiotic powder, Durastat with oregano, nutri-drench, miconazole antifungal
- Tried peanut butter, since it's fairly high calorie and existing food sources are not showing significant improvements. Watered it down significantly so it wasn't sticky/goopy. Lemon eagerly ate this formula off my fingers, but I needed to tube feed most of it.
- Continues to drink water on her own if allowed
- Subcutaneous fluid injection
- I believe Lemon is severely dehydrated, and clearly her health is rapidly declining.
- I decided to inject fluids in an attempt to rehydrate her as a last resort effort. Perhaps some previous treatments failed because she wasn't adequately hydrated at the time? Just guessing.
- Completed 120ml subcutaneous injections of saline fluid into her inguinal region (skin between leg and abdomen)
- 1pm: 30ml left side, 30ml right side
- 7pm: 30ml left side, 30ml right side
- Fluid appeared to be absorbed quickly, but was difficult to be certain due to feathers and overall size of the inguinal cavity.
- Additional reading & videos about subcutaneous injections:
- http://www.poultrypedia.com/how-to-give-chicken-medicine
- https://www.vin.com/apputil/content/defaultadv1.aspx?id=5124282&pid=11343
- https://lafeber.com/vet/fluid-therapy-in-the-avian-patient/
- https://lafeber.com/vet/crop-stasis-in-birds/
- https://lafeber.com/vet/subcutaneous-fluids-in-birds/#Subcutaneous_fluids_in_bird_video
- https://www.clorofil.org/post/how-to-give-subcutaneous-sq-fluids-to-a-chicken
- https://www.doc.govt.nz/globalasset...tml#/lessons/0P33MfBA1CjKF5mhp4n89Ir0bnuxP4Sg
- https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/subcutaneous-fluids-and-injections.914094/
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I have no desire to force vomit her. The challenge is, we're stuck in the following cycle:
In other words, if I don't force vomit her, crop stasis occurs, and crop contents sour. What's interesting is that after vomiting + tube feeding, her crop contents drain overnight.
- Crop is overfull. Fluid comes out mouth when head is down.
- If crop is left overfull, contents sour.
- After force vomiting, Lemon is more perky / seems to feel better
- I tube feed Lemon before bed
- Crop is near-empty in the morning (drains successfully)
- Tube feed over the next ~1.5 days
- Crop doesn't drain, fills up again, cycle repeats
yes im wondering also.Hoping to hear if there were any updates on Lemon. I am so invested.
how is Lemon doing? Any updates on your beautiful girl?Lemon, our beloved pet chicken, has been sick for over 8 weeks. I've tried nearly everything, but she continues to decline. No bird vets available in the area, so I really need your help!
Picture of healthy Lemon (scroll down for pictures of sick Lemon)
Main problem: Slow crop / crop stasis, but it's far more complicated than that (keep reading)
Timeline, Symptoms, and Treatments
- Breed: Buff Orpington
- Age: 2.5 years
- Current Weight: 3 pounds (skin and bones)
- Normal Weight: 4.3 pounds
- Flock Size: 4 (first chickens I've owned)
- All 3 other chickens 100% healthy
- Lemon is top of the pecking order
- No signs of injury, bleeding, trauma
- No signs of mites/lice/fleas/parasites
- Diet: MannaPro Organic Layer Pellets & free range foraging (bugs, grass, grit, seeds, etc)
- Poop: Mostly liquid / diarrhea / runny (pictures below). Typically green color. No blood. Occasional cecal poops.
- Location: California (warm climate)
- See below for details on eating, drinking, and activity level
How is Lemon doing today?
- Part 1:
- Observed vent gleet for months (didn't realize it was a problem at the time)
- Started refusing treats (sunflower seeds, raisins, peanuts, rice)
- Stopped laying eggs
- Comb began to droop. Became lethargic.
- Quarantined from other chickens indoors
- Stopped eating and drinking. Slept most of the day.
- Hypothesis A: Respiratory & Crop issues
- Observations:
- Vent gleet & feather loss near vent
- Sour crop / crop not emptying / "doughy crop" as defined here
- Algae/scum observed in water (cleaned immediately)
- Firm hindquarters, flaming red skin near vent (not ascites / water belly
- Heavy/labored breathing when lying down.
- Comb turning darker red with purple splotches over several days.
- Treatment:
- VetRx 4-5x per day on nostrils via Q-tip
- Massaging crop & tube feeding:
- "Crop buster" as defined here (lemon juice, spices, etc)
- Apple Cider Vinegar
- Nutri-Drench (1ml per day)
- Garlic water
- Electrolyte powder
- Oil of oregano (2 drops per day)
- Results:
- Breathing problems fully resolved.
- Crop started draining
- Tube-fed Harrison's juvenile formula 3x daily
- Significant activity level improvement. Comb began to straighten up and return to normal color
- Hindquarters returned to normal softness (no longer firm)
- Skin color near vent returned to normal
- After 1 week, her comb was 90% upright, and behavior returned to normal
- Returned to the flock. I realize now I returned her to the flock too soon...
- Part 2
- 1 week later, she was still not laying eggs
- Comb started drooping again, crop not emptying, becoming lethargic, etc
- Quarantined from other chickens indoors
- Hypothesis B: Internal blockage of upper digestive tract
- Treatment:
- Epsom salt flush
- Molasses flush
- Vegetable oil
- Dulcolax stool softener
- Kefir yogurt / probiotics
- Results:
- Pooping frequency increased.
- Increased solid material in stool.
- Minimal activity level improvement.
- No change to comb droop.
- Hypothesis C: Internal blockage of lower digestive tract
- Treatment: Vegetable oil enema
- Results:
- Pooping frequency increased.
- No activity level changes.
- No comb changes.
- Hypothesis D:Fungal infection
- Treatment: Miconazole. 1ml, 3x per day, orally for 7 days. Also rubbed in/around vent occasionally.
- Results: No improvement
- Hypothesis E: Worms/Parasites
- Treatment: SafeGuard Goat Dewormer (fenbendazole 10% suspension). 3ml per gallon of water. 1-2x daily for 3 days.
- Results: No improvement
- Hypothesis F: Salmonella / E-Coli
- Observation:
- LOTS of burping / crop gas
- Wild birds bathing in chicken water dish (cleaned immediately)
- Mice/rat droppings observed in the chicken run (actively trying to eradicate)
- White goop appeared in front corners of eyes (not bubbles)
- Treatment:
- Acidified Copper Sulfate
- 1/4 teaspoon per gallon of water for 7 days
- Stopped treatment for 3 days
- Restarted for 3 days at 2x concentration
- Did I give her enough? (don't want to overdose her)
- Results
- Biggest overall improvement of any treatment attempted thus far
- White goop in eyes disappeared in 1-2 days
- Burping / crop gas ceased almost entirely
- Poop began to solidify (nearly normal solids instead of runny)
- Poop frequency increased to ~11 per day
- Comb color began to change from dark red / purple splotches to the more normal, lighter red.
- Behavior drastically improved. Highly active, started squawking more.
Treatment Summary (everything I've tried)
- Throughout all the above through today, her crop still will not fully drain
- Her crop overfills, I induce vomiting, she feels/acts better, I give a small amount of food/water, crop partially drains, I provide more food/water, crop stops draining, and the entire cycle repeats itself every few days.
- Vomit is increasingly strong and foul smelling
- She is severely dehydrated (super dry comb, dry skin around vent)
- Comb still has dark discolorations & now has small growths. Our temperature is warm (it's not frostbite), and she is isolated from other chickens (not bullying). Fowl pox?
- She is skin and bones (lightest weight ever) at 3 pounds
- She acts like she's starving (because she is) and tries to eat everything (bugs, roots, seeds)
- I stop her from eating bugs, roots, seeds because these come up in her vomit (they're not being digested / reclogging her?)
- I no longer let her forage, and only give her Harrison's formula
- I believe I'm keeping her alive due to tube-feeding food, water, electrolytes, nutri-drench, and forced-vomiting.
- I understand forced-vomiting is dangerous, but I felt it was the only option
I have not tried
- Miconazole (over-the-counter antifungal cream)
- SafeGuard Dewormer (fenbendazole 10%)
- Acidified Copper Sulfate
- Dulcolax stool softener
- VetRx
- Nutri-Drench
- Apple Cider Vinegar
- Electrolyte powder
- Probiotic powder
- Garlic water
- Oregano oil
- Kefir yogurt
- Crop Buster (lemon juice & spices)
- Epsom salt flush
- Molasses flush
- Vegetable oil (orally and in vent)
Help needed
- Antibiotics (not sure which ones to use, nor how to obtain - No available bird vets nearby)
- Corid (coccidiosis?)
- Subcutaneous injection (to treat dehydration)
- Crop bra - Tried a few times, but led to liquid coming out mouth. Lemon also seemed super uncomfortable. Should I try again?
Pictures
- What am I missing? What should I try next? Acidified Copper Sulfate resulted in notable improvements, but her crop still didn't drain. I stopped Acidified Copper Sulfate because I'm worried about overdosing her. Should I give her more?
- Any ideas @TwoCrows @Eggcessive @casportpony @Pyxis @OneMountainAcres @ronott1 @theoldchick @Wyorp Rock @Kiki @drumstick diva @sourland @N F C @penny1960 ?
- We love this chicken and want to save her!
- Face / comb
- Poop
Ranges from wet to semi-wet to more solid. Generally greenish, but may be due to Harrison's formula being green.
- Dry skin near vent