Chickens for 10-20 years or more? Pull up a rockin' chair and lay some wisdom on us!

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laughing. I never clipped a coupon in my life till the last 6 months. Bumpy ride, no shocks, dirt road? I used to do that for fun but that **** Jeep only got 16 mpg and the pmnt, insurance et al was outrageous. Now I just remind the kids of the roads we used to crawling around on...and how daddy would walk beside us cause he was terrified. lol. I'm printing your response. I will be going over it with the fam in the AM. My dogs are cowards -terrified of everything. They dont bother the chickens ever. My feral cat actually guards them and fights foxes to keep them away. She is a 50.00 cat. As in I wouldnt sell her for 50.00 dollars. Im going to see what I can figure out on the fermentation and maybe close off half the front yard and see what happens. Ive got friends bringing me their scraps all the time already for those chickens. Somethin has to give. I told the feed guy his chicken customers were gonna eat their chickens and stop buying feed. He looked at me like I was some kind of monster. He is really funny. I go there just to shock him. Thanks for the tips.

If you have a local Natural Grocer or Whole Foods, ask the produce manager if he/she will save produce scraps for you. Even if only once a week, the chickens love it and it's free, if it's on your way to or from somewhere you have to go anyway, or for a neighbor who will transport in exchange for some eggs maybe. If you only have a big chain, ask them. If there are nearby produce stands or farmer's markets ask them.

Even at your elevation you may be able to keep Kale and Chard going in the garden or in pots in the windows over winter, and that's good for your family and your chickens. In spring you should be able to get at least some veggies going - because you are at high elevation I assume growing season is short, but you can start the seeds indoors under lights so when you can plant - which I guess would be after Memorial Day for you - you can put in plants that have a great start to maximize harvest. If you have spent the winter composting with your deep litter, your beds can be prepared with that, and should help improve production of the plants, which in turn helps improve production of your hens. If you have one go broody, and you don't have any fertilized eggs (I don't, no roosters) you might ask around and see if someone will give/sell/trade you some that you can put under her to hatch, then you have new stock or chicks to sell.

This year I decided to start canning. I only have a water bath canner right now but it's a start and should save money and improve healthfulness of food. I wish I had done it a few years ago when my garden produced more than I could freeze and give away; this year was rough, no rain, hot windy days, flea beetles and grasshoppers, more challenge than I was up to - but those grasshoppers are how I got DH to agree getting chickens was a great idea :) Fingers crossed for better success next year.

BK is right on with all the things she mentioned, and I know she does lots more. I have also been making laundry soap for a couple of years now, and it saves quite a bit of money. I do, though, clip coupons and load the electronic ones to my shopper card, but have taught myself only to save and use those for things I would have bought anyway - the temptation to buy things you otherwise would not have is great. If you do it as a swap, where you give up one thing to try the new thing, then you can better assess the value of the thing you are trying. At least that's my approach :) I try to keep my car parked for at least one whole day of the three each week I'm here - I work 4 days at the office and then just a few hours from home the fifth day of the week. It is only 11 miles to town, but that's 22 miles RT plus however much further I have to go to get where I need to. That usually is at least a gallon of gas, plus wear and tear on the vehicle and tires. We have a 40 year old pickup we use to pick up things that won't fit in a car (sheets of plywood for instance, or the lawnmower we found used for a third the price of new, etc.), and it gets driven a handful of times most years, so it pays for itself to be registered and insured and we also use it on the property when we have a big planting project at the other end of the driveway or something. DH is a mechanic so he can fix things that break on it, otherwise its cost effectiveness would plummet.

I've been broke my whole life too, and I'm neither proud nor ashamed of it. I work for a living and do my best, just never had a job anyone thought important enough to pay much for, so like everyone, I make due with what I have. Every year I try to learn a new way to scrimp and save, because every year prices rise and wages do not. Even the prices we charge our customers rise. Wages do not. Not for hourly slugs, anyway. But I digress ...

If you decide to give your birds free range time, if I were you I would stay out there with them the first several times to ensure their safety and see whether there are things you need to fence them away from or into. I have a couple old ex-pens for dogs that I can put together when I want to keep them in a very specific area, and I can cover it with a tarp if I need to with just some wire ties or bungies. It's decent temporary shelter and very portable.

Your cat sounds great, BTW :)
 
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Be very careful of all corn this year as there was a lot of corn hit with AFLATOXIN due to the weather. Aflatoxin is a mold that will make most critters very sick, if it doesn't kill them. Check for any signs of mold, especially on deer corn.
 
bee i am sorry . yes you are right and have told mentioned this more than once about chickens being egg eaters it is interesting how nature works. yep if there is something not right about the offspring. it is killed. makes sense bad egg chicken eats it.

funny you can have all the knowledge in the world. however when you do it for yourself by yourself it has a whole new meaning. the men at those city markets are now gone. the people who i have done chickens with are gone. now it is me by myself calling the shots.

So now we are your men at the markets and the people you do chickens with, aren't we? I mean, I have no market, and I'm not even a man, so I can't do that part, but I'm a people and I have chickens ... just sayin'.
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A good part of the reason no one is being that helpful is because it could be so many different things, few of them good. Many old timers simply cull sick birds. If they are starting to sneeze and nothing else has changed, they're likely sick. Is there nasal discharge? Eyes goopy? There's two approaches for this:
One is to separate the sneezing ones for treatment. Problem is how to treat. You can try getting some duramycin from the feed store and treating them. But without knowing what it is, that may or may not help. And we can't diagnose over the internet with accuracy. The only truly accurate way to know for sure is to send a dead one off for necropsy. Before that, it's a lot of guesswork since many chicken illnesses have the same symptoms.
The other is not to separate them since the whole flock is exposed anyway and let nature run it's course. This is what I'd do. Just wait. Check the droppings of the sneezers. What's the color, etc? Take a look here: http://chat.allotment.org.uk/index.php?topic=17568.0 Only after you have a better idea what exactly is wrong can you really decide what to do.
I'm not an OT as far as chickens but the likely reason the real OT's are saying much is that they would probably just cull sick birds and not treat them. They would know their birds, and know that their methods were tried and true. They would know their birds were the most hardy and that any getting sick are the weak ones whose genetics they don't need. Or, well, there's just so much else at work here.
PS - here's some disease info that will help you maybe. Probably scare the poo out of you, too: http://www.clemson.edu/public/lph/ahp/disease_links/images/poultrydiseases.pdf

Could also just be an irritant, like fall pollen or blown leaf and petal bits, couldn't it? I guess if they're still sneezing the next morning I would be concerned, especially if it's more of them.
 
I started reading this thread from the beginning. I love it! You guys really keep it running though. I was away from the Internet two weekends ago, and have been trying to catch up ever since! Every time I get close you guys add another 5 pgs:) All the info and experience you guys share make it worth the reading time though. Thank you!!
...Now to find out how far behind I am on other threads that I have ignored while catching up on this one...
 
Could also just be an irritant, like fall pollen or blown leaf and petal bits, couldn't it?  I guess if they're still sneezing the next morning I would be concerned, especially if it's more of them.
Could be. That's part of the "wait and see" and stuff. I was under the impression that it was more than a day though. Sounded like it's been at least a few days and getting worse.
 
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I always look at those poor folks who win the lottery and see what they choose to do with money, shake my head and say, "What rednecks do when they get money.....".
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What would I do with all that money? I'd give it away...I'm too darn good at being poor to stop now. Being rich would ruin my life!

Oh, but you are.

Rich, that is.
 
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OK, Beekissed. Talking FF "colander-sized holes" doesn't tell me a dern thing. I have colanders with holes from less than 1/8th inch right up to over 1/4 inch. So....you got a ruler with mm reading? You know...for us OCD-ers.
 
off topic....behind on this thread's reading....again.

OK, Beekissed. Talking FF "colander-sized holes" doesn't tell me a dern thing. I have colanders with holes from less than 1/8th inch right up to over 1/4 inch. So....you got a ruler with mm reading? You know...for us OCD-ers.

If you are talking fermented feed, I believe, if I remember correctly, the hole size is 3/32
 
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