Chicks are dropping like flies! Cocci?

CityGirlintheCountry

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Three days ago I moved three mille fleur d'uccle chicks (bantum) and three welsummer/buff orp crosses (LF) outside to the chick playpen from the indoor brooder. I can't remember exactly how old these babies are, but they are feathered out except for their heads (which are starting to feather).
The temperatures here are in the high 80's during the day and 70s at night. The chicks had been in the house (75 deg) with no heat lamp for a week or better. The playpen is partially shaded so they haven't been overheating. They are living in a large plastic dog crate with about 2" of shavings in the bottom (the same kind of shavings they were living on inside).

They were all fine the first afternoon, night and the next day. Running around, eating and pooping just fine.
I came out yesterday morning to find one MF dead in the run and one MF really lethargic. I brought the lethargic baby back inside and put her under the heat lamp. I also dunked her beak in water to make sure she was drinking. She was fine for about half an hour and then was just dead. The other four acted perfectly fine all day yesterday and yesterday evening.
This morning I went out to find one of the LF babies dead in the back of the crate. The last MF baby is acting lethargic (although she zips around when I try to catch her and I saw her eating and drinking). The other two LF babies are acting fine.

????? I haven't the faintest idea what's going on out there. I would say temperature, but the weather has actually been really nice and it's not that different from inside. All of the other outside chickens are acting just fine, including the tiny baby that hatched out outside a week or two after these guys. The only difference is that the tiny baby was hen hatched and has always been outside and the others were bator hatched and have been living inside.
They are eating the same food and drinking from the same waterer. The playpen area is used by the other chickens when there are no babies outside. It is separated from the rest of the run by a chicken wire barrier, so if it was something biological, the other chickens and the tiny baby would all be exposed as well. They seem fine.

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I'm stymied here. I can't come up with any reason for them to be dying. They don't act sick. They just are dead in the mornings. Any thoughts? If they had not already feathered out I'd think temperature shifts, but I thought once they had feathers they would be fine. They had reached the stinky messy phase in the brooder and needed to move out. What do I do?
 
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Cocci or something toxic would do this.

I'd get them on amprolium or sulmet immediately. Is their feed medicated?
 
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You do not say if you are using medicated starter >?
Can the adult birds get in with them (check for puncture marks)
 
its probably coccidiosis...check to see if their poo is bloody...if you have no sulmet...put apple cider vinegar in their water and feed strictly medicated starter...until you get sulmet

cocci is in the ground...when you put new chicks outside they will sometimes get it

good luck...i've been through this twice this year
 
It sounds like cocci. I had it too. I bought both sulmet and Corid. And have used both on them. They all seem fine right now.

It is the chicks that seem to suffer because they do not have an immunity. Even with the medicated starter they can get it. Speckled hen said it is in the soil. And if the chicks pecked at poop thinking it was food they could probably get it that way too.

I got mine meds at the local hatchery and also at the local feed supply store.
 
But I have moved chicks from inside to outside before with no problems. Would cocci just pop up like this?

The adults cannot get in the playpen with them. It is enclosed with chicken wire and lattice.

I don't have any organic ACV, but I have regular grocery store ACV. Would that help for now?

I don't have sulmet at home, but do have terramycin and PenG. Would one of those help until the co-op opens tomorrow?

Should I bring them back in the house or are they already infected?

The food is NOT medicated. It's the Dumor chick starter from TSC. I can get medicated chick starter at the co-op tomorrow if switching now would help.

I haven't noticed bloody poop in the run, but kind of thought I saw reddish coloring on the vent of the one that died inside yesterday. How obvious will this be?

Thanks for the help!
 
Get them inside and limit stress the best you can. Give them the ACV you have. Don't start antibiotics. Get amprolium or sulmet asap. TSC should have it today if you can get there. Time is critical here.


Yes, cocci would just pop up like that. Every time I bring my chicks into the barn they get cocci, even if they are in the barn brooders. I only lost 7 of 14 silkies to it once. All the other times I get a week of bloody poo and then they develop a resistance. I have never medicated nor do i use medicated feed. The cocci on my property is mild.
 
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if you can catch it in time you wont lose any chicks...the first time i caught it in time and didnt lose any..i had 4...the second time with different chicks i lost one but they all had it out of eleven..

they will be real lethargic and their heads will be sunk down into their bodies and they will stand still and hardly move...and have lots of bloody poo that stinks kinda like death(sounds morbid)

you need to get the medicated feed right away..it has amprol in it which is supposed to help prevent it...the AVC will help get good bacteria in their gut
 

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