Climate change bill

[Chicksdigit]

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Yes it sure is nice to have lights and air conditioning and hey a refrigerator and stove..........If my bill triples I will have none of these. Oh yeah a computer ......I won't be able to do this anymore.

 

[HobokenChickenEmergency]

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They're going to need people to blow at the windmills when there's no wind.

Coal and oil can be clean. The smoke has to be filtered. Obama is trying to force the energy companies to invest in new technology to burn it clean. Corporations won't do anything on their own if it cost money. So they have to be forced. Too bad they can't do the responsible thing on their own.

And it will all be paid for by us. I live in Indiana, where electicity comes from coal. Right now, on average, we pay $3600 a year for electric and gas. I can't afford our bill now, let alone 2 or 3 times that.

And as for the "government audit" before you sell, most likely our local energy companies would be doing the audits and reporting to the new "climate czar". Just what we all need: our energy companies given legal free reign to shaft us more than they already do.

 

[Q9]

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They're going to need people to blow at the windmills when there's no wind.

Coal and oil can be clean. The smoke has to be filtered. Obama is trying to force the energy companies to invest in new technology to burn it clean. Corporations won't do anything on their own if it cost money. So they have to be forced. Too bad they can't do the responsible thing on their own.

Whoa, there. Watch your step. You just attacked the free market. Define "clean." Air pollution is going down (and has been) rapidly, thanks to new technology reducing true pollution that the free market created, without being forced by the government. As for Co2, it is completely and totally harmless, in fact it is what plants need to grow. When the government tries to mess with the economy, bad things happen. I defy you to find me a single incident in the history of these States when government intervention has produced economic growth, or heck, any kind of benefit that was not outweighed by the cost.

 

[ijon1]

The poor economy is sick and they want to add more taxes. Its like a person with a breathing problem and someone chokes them to help.

 

[Wifezilla]

I live in Indiana, where electricity comes from coal.

Same here in Colorado. There are 2 coal fired plants in the area that provide all the electricity. Of course, there is plenty of room to build nuclear plants, but what are the odds of that happening???​

 

[Steve8511]

My first post! Hi everyone!
They want to put us all on a smart grid too. That means if usage is too high at a certain time you might get shut off! Like if you are running a washer/air conditioning and a TV they shut you down to 30% power just for basics. And you’re still paying the bill!!
There is also a huge portion in the bill that that covers non working poor due to the enormous price increases. That means YOU are paying for them too.
This bill has so much in it and no one in the House of Rep even read it! It goes to the Senate on the 8th I think, write all your representatives and tell them to say no to this.

This is the largest Tax increase in history.

I’m at this site because I have chickens now, because I follow the finances of the US and the world very closely. We are headed for a meltdown THIS YEAR.
I’m preparing, please do so too.

 

[beak]

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They're going to need people to blow at the windmills when there's no wind.

Coal and oil can be clean. The smoke has to be filtered. Obama is trying to force the energy companies to invest in new technology to burn it clean. Corporations won't do anything on their own if it cost money. So they have to be forced. Too bad they can't do the responsible thing on their own.

Whoa, there. Watch your step. You just attacked the free market. Define "clean." Air pollution is going down (and has been) rapidly, thanks to new technology reducing true pollution that the free market created, without being forced by the government. As for Co2, it is completely and totally harmless, in fact it is what plants need to grow. When the government tries to mess with the economy, bad things happen. I defy you to find me a single incident in the history of these States when government intervention has produced economic growth, or heck, any kind of benefit that was not outweighed by the cost.

You actually think the coal industry developed that technology on their own? Please come back to the real world. EPA standards are 100% responsible for the air pollution coming down. When the dems get in the EPA standards get tightened and everybody whines about the cost. Then the pubs get in and reduce the standards and all the rich people get richer till the next dem comes along. If it was up to the utility companies their plants would still be belching out black smoke and we would look like China. Cars would still be burning leaded gas. The only thing they would have improved on engines that would reduce emissions would be fuel injection and they would have done it for the extra power and cold running capability. Emission control would have been an added benefit. Yes Co2 is harmless except for the fact that it traps all the other pollutants in our atmosphere. Government intervention isn't meant to save money. It's meant to control things that would otherwise not be controled. Things like sub prime mortgages. tainted food and drugs, pollution, monopolies, out of control creditcard practices. Lots of things that the so called free market abuses through greed.

 

[beak]

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Same here in Colorado. There are 2 coal fired plants in the area that provide all the electricity. Of course, there is plenty of room to build nuclear plants, but what are the odds of that happening???

If they could find a safe storage method for the used fuel and they could guarantee no more 3 mile Islands or Chernobyl's, nuclear would be great. I think eventually it will be the most common source of power. It is the cleanest with the exception of wind and solar. It cost a fortune to build though. I guess we could send all the spent uranium down to Tx.

 

[The Poultry Peanut]

Why texas? I happen to live here ya know

 

[beak]

That's the point. Nobody wants spent uranium in their state. Safety can't be guaranteed. I wouldn't want it either.