Cochin breeding, genetics, and showing

[ki4got]

Hey all, after a long and sad search i have found no gold/silver laced cochin bantams in this country.

i have decided to try and breed some, by crossing a nicely typed partridge gold cochin male bantam, with a pair of nicely typed SLW bantams i know this will give me sex linked offspring(gold female, yellow male), neither of which will be completely laced or resemble a laced bird. I know the next cross (f1) between brother and sister should give me some poorly laced birds, along with a huge variety of other colours.

i plan to keep two f1 males and 6 f1 females from the original cross, and to see if they will produce any laced birds in the f2 generation, my question is, what do you look for in the f1 birds? Would type be more important, or lacing and colour? Do i pick the birds who look the least "wyandottish" or the ones who have slightly better lacing and colour? I assume it would be easier to improve type in the future generations, so i assume picking lacing should be the number one priority?

i have spoken to a breeder who is happy to take the culls and sell them on, so even though it will take a long long time, i see it as my pet project for the next decade or so.

The end result i will be looking for is gold/silver laced, with a possible side project in columbians depending on what gets thrown by the f1 brother/sister cross. I know its a very long road but here we dont have many good partridge or pencilled birds, i have only seen two poorly typed columbians, no laced birds whatsoever.

I just want to get some laced birds to shows and hopefully encourage local breeders to start similar projects.

i sent a pm to you, but missed something until i read this again... didn't catch that columbian and partridge were scarce. so it sounds like you'll need to start from scratch essentially. good luck in your projects and keep us updated.

too bad we can't do an egg exchange to s. africa. LOL

 

[AndyCap]

I know exactly how hard they are to find! Took me 3 years to get a trio. I'm not sure if I can help or not, but I'm using GL in my BLR project. I did have a male GL that I sold earlier in the spring so it's possible that I may have one or two for sale in the future. My BLR's are not the best type in the world but they're not bad either. I now have some BLR females so the possibility of having birds to sell this spring is pretty good

I wish i could take them, your birds do look beautiful, and would save me a few years in my project! but yes, sorry, in South Africa.

 

[thecochincoop]

sorry I guess I should start reading locations too lol

 

[sarahannecloud9]

Hi ladies, I'm kinda new around here. I want to learn as much a spossible about our cochins. I have a very wide variety in my flock, but the cochins have taken my heart. I have no true way of knowing the age of my cochn girls. I hope to replinish. I just hatched a variety of chicks, but am unable to tell what's what just yet. I have gotten quite good at sexing by feather. I have 10 pullets, 3 cockerals, and 4 unsure. I got rid of our other roo and replaced with a lovely blk standard. This hatch is mixed, although some of the cochin chicks are clearly true pure.

To get to the point, I have: 1 lemon blue, 1 blue/wht splash, and 3 black. I also have a small pullet out there. I'd like to get rid of the blk hens and replace with the blues, leoms blues, and splash. How can I find out the chances and math of this? Any links would also be helpfull. I am unable to reed this whole thread so I deeply appoligise if this question has been raised before. I plan on becomeing a daily member here. You ladies are just right up my ally so to speak. And you will all come to know i just can't spell for the life of me. :blush:

I have pics, TONS. I also have individual pics of the chicks. I'm trying to learn what colors they will be and who is for sure true cochin. I did have 2 little jap bantam cochins as well and yes they successfully maited. I think I have some of their babies in the batch as the foot feathering is not as full as others.

Thanks so very much ladies for any help at all.

 

[sarahannecloud9]

I meant to say, the pullet I have is blk and she is the one I wish to keep in blk.

thanks again.

 

[HooverHenHouse]

This is probably going to get long..

Genetics question-
About the frizzle gene

Is the frizzle gene dominant, or recessive?

I am starting to get into bantam cochins..had no plans of focusing on frizzles, but since I have access to it..I want to look into it further. I read the first 20 pages of this thread, and the last 3, now my eyes are tired. Hoping someone can help me..then I will continue to read and take notes from this thread.


I bought a 4+ month old barred bantam pullet-was told she was split for the frizzle gene...
I went back the next week and bought her sister, who is a frizzle..

This was what I made up in my head..and I am sure I am wrong, as I believed frizzle was recessive

FF-Smooth,
Ff-Smooth, carries frizzle gene
ff-frizzle
So I thought since I have a Ff, and a ff I would want a Ff rooster.
____________________________________________________________________________________

I do know about not wanting a frazzle..but I was lead to believe I have it all wrong, which makes sense now that I have wrote both down
So is this how it actually is?
ff-smooth
Ff-frizzle
FF-frazzle

..which would mean that my hen who is split for the frizzle gene would have a 25% chance of having frizzle chicks when bred to a smooth?, and my frizzle hen would have a 50% chance of having a frizzle? -Of course in ideal situation, I understand genetics don't work as we plan them to.

 

[ki4got]

This is probably going to get long..

Genetics question-
About the frizzle gene

Is the frizzle gene dominant, or recessive?

I am starting to get into bantam cochins..had no plans of focusing on frizzles, but since I have access to it..I want to look into it further. I read the first 20 pages of this thread, and the last 3, now my eyes are tired. Hoping someone can help me..then I will continue to read and take notes from this thread.


I bought a 4+ month old barred bantam pullet-was told she was split for the frizzle gene...
I went back the next week and bought her sister, who is a frizzle..

This was what I made up in my head..and I am sure I am wrong, as I believed frizzle was recessive

FF-Smooth,
Ff-Smooth, carries frizzle gene
ff-frizzle
So I thought since I have a Ff, and a ff I would want a Ff rooster.
____________________________________________________________________________________

I do know about not wanting a frazzle..but I was lead to believe I have it all wrong, which makes sense now that I have wrote both down
So is this how it actually is?
ff-smooth
Ff-frizzle
FF-frazzle

..which would mean that my hen who is split for the frizzle gene would have a 25% chance of having frizzle chicks when bred to a smooth?, and my frizzle hen would have a 50% chance of having a frizzle? -Of course in ideal situation, I understand genetics don't work as we plan them to.

frizzle is a dominant gene, and you don't want to breed frizz to frizz or you end up with badly messed up, brittle feathers. ideally you breed a frizzle to a non-frizzle. and statistically, frizz to non-frizz you should get 50/50.

i'm sure others will weigh in here too. i know that the actual percentages of what you're going to get when breeding frizzles will vary, but statistically according to the genetics themselves, it would be 50/50.

 

[HooverHenHouse]

Thanks, that I answered my questions..and is why I wanted to research before I bought the rooster..
....(Telling myself) You know what happens when you assume, you make *** out of you & me

 

[Black Cochin Bantams]

frizzle is a dominant gene, and you don't want to breed frizz to frizz or you end up with badly messed up, brittle feathers. ideally you breed a frizzle to a non-frizzle. and statistically, frizz to non-frizz you should get 50/50.

i'm sure others will weigh in here too. i know that the actual percentages of what you're going to get when breeding frizzles will vary, but statistically according to the genetics themselves, it would be 50/50.

What you said is true. I also would like to point out that a first time cross out to a smooth will give you some frizzles. If you use a smooth feathered bird from that cross back to any frizzle you will get better frizzle quality in the future. Type may be harder to tell on a frizzle but only use the best typed smooth X birds to breed back to frizzle. Breeding 2 smooths from a frizzle cross will nevere give you a Frizzle chick.

 

[HooverHenHouse]

Thanks for the added info!