Cochin Thread!!!

[theadvocate19]

No, it is impossible to breed two birds that sort of make sense and think that you'll get a combination of the two looks. Poultry genetics is so incredibly complex that even people who study it for years still have some difficulty getting what they want. To breed a combination of colors/patterns you need to have a goal in mind and do a lot of research before hand. You can always hatch the eggs that you have, but don't expect anything but an odd outcome from the eggs.

Oh! Well we're still really new, but my adult cochin is by far my favorite chicken ever! And I could only imagine what would happen if my buff and silver laced mated. What exactly would the outcome be?

 

[lilcrow]

Oh! Well we're still really new, but my adult cochin is by far my favorite chicken ever! And I could only imagine what would happen if my buff and silver laced mated. What exactly would the outcome be?

As ki4got and I said, nothing predictable. It would be a crapshoot, and the color/patterns would not conform to any APA or ABA descriptions.

 

[ki4got]

Quote: a buff is mahogany (Mh), dilute (Di), Db (no real name, just an effect with other combinations) and wheaten (eWh)
a silver laced is silver (S), melanizing (Ml), Columbian (Co) pattern gene (Pg) and partridge (eb)

so combining those two, you'll gat a mishmash of all of that. again nothing really super predictable as far as color results because some mutations may be hiding as recessives or hidden by the black/silver.

 

[mjgigax]

a buff is mahogany (Mh), dilute (Di), Db (no real name, just an effect with other combinations) and wheaten (eWh)
a silver laced is silver (S), melanizing (Ml), Columbian (Co) pattern gene (Pg) and partridge (eb)

so combining those two, you'll gat a mishmash of all of that. again nothing really super predictable as far as color results because some mutations may be hiding as recessives or hidden by the black/silver.

Thanks for writing your genetics page. I am diving in. I always though I was a smart girl and pretty good at Biology but - wow! I won't give up though. I love anything to do with my birds.

 

[ki4got]

Quote: even tho I have a pretty good knowledge of chicken genetics, i'm still learning things every time I have a question in my own head... like the order of dominance between the e-locus mutations. LOL or i'll forget what the correct combination of traits is for a mutation (usually the e-locus for that variety) and again have to look it back up. but that's what having pages to reference are for.

my memory's not so great that I can remember every variety of every breed I've looked into... but I do know the ones i'm working with as projects, for the most part... the colored dorking is still on the back burner since I have 1 hen and NO roos... so i'll be test breeding her next year with my silver grey, and a red if I ever get one.

 

[AndyCap]

Just thought i would drop these pics from the weekend here.

This little fella is from my mottled Partridge lines, and is going to be a stunner i think.

 

[3BirdGirlz]

He sure is! Very pretty.

 

[theadvocate19]

a buff is mahogany (Mh), dilute (Di), Db (no real name, just an effect with other combinations) and wheaten (eWh)
a silver laced is silver (S), melanizing (Ml), Columbian (Co) pattern gene (Pg) and partridge (eb)

so combining those two, you'll gat a mishmash of all of that. again nothing really super predictable as far as color results because some mutations may be hiding as recessives or hidden by the black/silver.

Thank you for the more precise answer. I really had no idea what went into genetics, and didn't mean to ruffle feathers by asking. For me, someone more of a novice, and just an admirer when I see two cochins, I just naturally assumed the colors would mesh. Thank you for taking the time to explain! !

 

[Frizzled Pink]

Thank you for the more precise answer. I really had no idea what went into genetics, and didn't mean to ruffle feathers by asking. For me, someone more of a novice, and just an admirer when I see two cochins, I just naturally assumed the colors would mesh. Thank you for taking the time to explain! !

Its just that the silver laced are so far and few between to find any bit of correctly marked birds. If you love this coloring and you have a hen you could go to this site on facebook, https://www.facebook.com/groups/384604001637431/ you would have to go back a ways in the thread but there are some that are working on this color to get more information about this variety, and how difficult it is because you have to "double breed" meaning you have to have separate pens to try to breed correct colored males and different pens to breed correct colored females, hence everyones reaction to please do not cross anything into a silver laced bird. The folks working on this variety i believe are just a few states north of you so not too far if you wanted to have birds shipped to you to join in the project. We can definitely use all the passionate folks we can get working on some of our preservation standard colors.

 

[ki4got]

well, fortunately i'm going to be picking up a couple cockerels at the show in Knoxville to replace my lost roo. hopefully that will be a step in the right direction with these girls, tho my lost roo's only serious fault was his cushion wasn't wide enough, but that could have been worked on... still can be.