Color? Father?

[renk777]

After going back to the topic, I know believe that the "Chocolate/Brown" chick's father is the Silver Braekel, they have autosomal barring, which is ER/ER Db/Db, Pg/Pg

Db is required for the Autosomal barring pattern, but Db stands for Dark brown a columbian restrictor,
D
ark brown Db Incompletely dominant. Changes black down of E, ER to reddish-brown. Adults males exhibit a Columbian-type pattern of black, modifies red to orange-tan. Db is a better restrictor of black in males than females.

I hope that helps

Finally getting a chance to sit down. Need a crash course in chicken genetics...might as well start with what I have. Is there a chart that explains what each letter/combo of letters stand for in their capitalized/lowercase forms? Don't want to waste your time but if you could guide me to a good link to start, that would be great! I have looked at the chicken calculators but I don't know what each line even refers to Ack! There must be a chicken genetics 101 that all of you approve of?

 

[nicalandia]

Finally getting a chance to sit down. Need a crash course in chicken genetics...might as well start with what I have. Is there a chart that explains what each letter/combo of letters stand for in their capitalized/lowercase forms? Don't want to waste your time but if you could guide me to a good link to start, that would be great! I have looked at the chicken calculators but I don't know what each line even refers to Ack! There must be a chicken genetics 101 that all of you approve of?

http://www.edelras.nl/chickengenetics/mutations1.html#gen_mut_secpattern

 

[renk777]

I've been watching her sisters' feathers as they come in and I'm really sad that I'll be adopting the dad out this week. Would have loved to keep him on to breed back to his daughters for some really light egg layers that stay somewhat consistent. Don't need pure white but would love eggs light enough to dye eggs around Easter. And I picked up some EEs out of blue eggs so I'd love to see how he might lighten the shells of any daughters out of them. Oh well. I have no issue with him but he's gone after my small children a few too many times. He's yet to hurt them but I'm not taking any chances. He's shown me that he can't be trusted and while my kids' are small, I need to make decisions to protect them. So they are no longer allowed in the run and he is no longer permitted in yard when they're out Anyway, the little chocolate chick gets prettier by the day. Her one sister seems to be displaying barring similar to Braekel hens....white on head and neck and some degree of barring or etching (not really sure what to call it) on feathers from shoulders downward. The other sister pictured with her in the OP is really cool. From her wings back, she appears to be feathering out white...but from her head to the top of her wings, appears to have apricot colored barring. I'll try to get a pic of all three at some point just in case any of you are as intrigued with how genetics play out as I am. Not really a fan of mixing breeds but my Braekel isn't really show quality and for now, it's what we have. Down the road, I hope to focus on a purebreed or 2 but I think I'll always keep a mutt flock just for the fun of it <3

 

[renk777]

@moonshiner and @nicalandia....question for both of you. The chick's are all feathered out now and of the 3, my favorite (the little chocolate) is starting to cause my roo-dar to beep Was wondering if the intensity of barring could indicate gender? I know nothing of chicken genetics but think I remember that barring is tied to the sex chromosome? So I would think that a male out of this cross would have little to no barring (as my suspected pullets are) and my females would have more contrasty barring as my suspected roo has. But I could be way off. And then there's Moonshiner's alien theory. In any case, the light chick now has a reddish head that fades over the shoulders into white. And the other white chick resembles a braekel chick with a white head and body and some degree of barring or ticking or something only on the shoulders and wings. But the little chocolate? Very similar to a true Braekel...barring is much more defined. And I swear the comb is starting to become more apparent than its sisters'. Sometimes, it stands like a roo. It's the friendliest of the 3 as well. Thought maybe your color expertise might confirm one way or another. I'll try to grab photos later today.

 

[nicalandia]

@moonshiner and @nicalandia....question for both of you. The chick's are all feathered out now and of the 3, my favorite (the little chocolate) is starting to cause my roo-dar to beep Was wondering if the intensity of barring could indicate gender? I know nothing of chicken genetics but think I remember that barring is tied to the sex chromosome?.

Post pics please to confirm gender... Also the barring found on Silver Braekel is they "Autosomal" type of barring pattern, is based on Db and Pg and ER or eb. in your case ER seem to be the e allele background.

 

[renk777]

Post pics please to confirm gender... Also the barring found on Silver Braekel is they "Autosomal" type of barring pattern, is based on Db and Pg and ER or eb. in your case ER seem to be the e allele background.

I'm not home but what you wrote sounds both intriguing...and Greek Hahaha I'll grab pics later or maybe tomorrow in daylight. Thank you!

 

[The Moonshiner]

Ya with that rooster and these chicks you're talking about "the other barring".
The barring connected to sex chromosome is the common barring like your male gems should have.
That barring is sex linked so females can only have one copy but males can have one or two copies.
That barring is just turning the color on and off so where there's white is where the color was turned off.
With males that have two copies there is twice as much color turned off so they have wider white bars which make them appear lighter color. Males with single gene and females have one copy so less color turned off so they appear darker.
Its usually pretty simple unless you have those d@mn gems. Lol.
I honestly don't know much at all about the barring you're dealing with in this thread.
Its not sex linked and takes a combination of genes to produce it.

 

[renk777]

Post pics please to confirm gender... Also the barring found on Silver Braekel is they "Autosomal" type of barring pattern, is based on Db and Pg and ER or eb. in your case ER seem to be the e allele background.

Fairly certain the little red/white chick is a pullet. Pretty convinced the white one is as well. ..though personality definitely leans toward roo. Feisty little thing. The chocolate is our smallest and feathered out fast but looks like a roo to me. Kind of sad as he's my favorite but I don't have space for him as a roo. And I adopted out his dad a few weeks ago....was going after my kids. So it'd be nice to hear he might still be a pullet though I suspect that won't be the case :/ Using this as an exercise to learn a little more about genetics... either way, I'll know for sure in another few weeks. His dad and his FBCM buddy were both crowing at 6 weeks and mounting our hens (and fertilizing them) at 8 or 9 weeks. No other roos in sight (or in our district that I'm aware of) and the eggs Def had bullseyes. The dad looked ridiculous climbing on the hens but I watched one day at ground level and confirmed the exchange. So now I'll have an itty bitty source of endless noise that won't be ready for freezer camp for months. Groan.

 

[renk777]

Ya with that rooster and these chicks you're talking about "the other barring".
The barring connected to sex chromosome is the common barring like your male gems should have.
That barring is sex linked so females can only have one copy but males can have one or two copies.
That barring is just turning the color on and off so where there's white is where the color was turned off.
With males that have two copies there is twice as much color turned off so they have wider white bars which make them appear lighter color. Males with single gene and females have one copy so less color turned off so they appear darker.
Its usually pretty simple unless you have those d@mn gems. Lol.
I honestly don't know much at all about the barring you're dealing with in this thread.
Its not sex linked and takes a combination of genes to produce it.

Still Greek but starting to make a little more sense! TY!

 

[nicalandia]

That's autosomal barring on the checks, but from the picture of your brown/chocolate chick his(it's a cockerel) the father is really not a Silver Braekel but looking at the pics again the rooster is a "Golden" meaning he has both the dominant sexlinked Silver(S) and the recessive sexlined gold(s+) in his make up, that cocholate chick is clearly gold based(s+/s+ one s+ from father and s+ from mother)