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[rebelcowboysnb]

The problem with the mental health issue is its about like trying to stand an egg on end. Finding the right middle ground is almost impossible.


What we can do though is reopen our hospitals an give the willing a place to go get help when they feel they need it.

 

[Royd]

Well, the line has been drawn and you can no longer arbitrarilly have someone committed, even if you know, without a doubt, that they will harm themselves at sometime in the future. We have accepted that as the status quo, as Patient's Rights.
If we take a step backwards, where does it stop?......You possess 10 guns and 10,000 rounds of ammo...Nothing good ever comes of that, so we are going to prevent a potential crime, by either stealing your stuff or restraining you...Maybe a satellite tracking ankle bracelet, along with a permanent restraining order, keeping you away for large gatherings of people.

I was saying that the downside to the alternative, is a dangerous path, especially with our political climate and the increasing power of the police state.

 

[chickened]

I know several Schizophrenic people... they act like two different people... one at work and one at home, one on Sunday and a different person on the other days. They are not murderers though.


The problem with mental health in America is we have coined it as normal behavior and the person is otherwise OK and safe to society and themselves. When someone is committed or jailed they should lose their rights until cured or their time is up.

 

[Royd]

I know several Schizophrenic people... they act like two different people... one at work and one at home, one on Sunday and a different person on the other days. They are not murderers though.

Can't they arrest the bad one?

 

[mom'sfolly]

Here in Texas we have at least one person in prison who would be on death row if considered sane. The patient rights laws cannot compel this person to take psych meds against his will. So he cannot be released and he cannot be executed.

And as for most mental illness, it cannot be cured. It can be treated or be inactive, but it never goes away. So if you choose to commit those with mental illness until cured, it is basically a life sentence.

Schizophrenic people rarely act differently in different situations. The might be able to control certain aspects of their disease but they aren't one person on Sunday and a different person every other day of the week.

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publ.../what-are-the-symptoms-of-schizophrenia.shtml

Other mental disorders can cause delusions or hallucinations. Bi-polar people when hypomanic are often delusional, and paranoid, with extremely high energy levels.

 

[Royd]

Here in Texas we have at least one person in prison who would be on death row if considered sane. The patient rights laws cannot compel this person to take psych meds against his will. So he cannot be released and he cannot be executed.

And as for most mental illness, it cannot be cured. It can be treated or be inactive, but it never goes away. So if you choose to commit those with mental illness until cured, it is basically a life sentence.

Schizophrenic people rarely act differently in different situations. The might be able to control certain aspects of their disease but they aren't one person on Sunday and a different person every other day of the week.

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publ.../what-are-the-symptoms-of-schizophrenia.shtml

Other mental disorders can cause delusions or hallucinations. Bi-polar people when hypomanic are often delusional, and paranoid, with extremely high energy levels.

It's those hypocritcal Bible Thumping Evangelicals who are one thing on Sunday and different every other day of the week.

 

[mom'sfolly]

yeah, but we're not allowed to call them crazy.

 

[chickened]

I think what it boils down too is how good one is at pretending or the ability to convince a therapist from the state no less. I watched a deposition of Larry Flint one time and one would consider him crazy but he made monkeys out of two federal attorneys and controlled the whole depo.

I think everyone has multiple personality but some use it as a crutch... very well I might add. That is why there is no cure for these conditions because the cure is to control it or not do it, pscho-babble aside.


I used to think bi-polar was two domestic pole engineers...

 

[Minchi]

I think you miss my point, it has been a long time since a major break through has been made in the field of psychology. Research is the key to my argument, our current methodologies are not working and we need to make serious ground in that area. Teachers could lean how to spot the signs and learn way of averting the problems. Physiologist could create less invasive treatment methods that do not interfere with day to day life as much. Medical research would also be key, the main reason people stop taking medicine is not because they feel fine but because the medicines have serious and life affecting side effects. There are people who have overcome there insanities through will power alone, it if can be done then we need to look as these people as an example and try to teach these methods to others. We really need to include quality of life in our treatments and get people to take action earlier. If the treatment has less consequences on peoples lives and didn't make them feel uncomfortable getting treatment then more people would get treatment earlier. Our medical systems is not designed to handle things subtle, and we are a very reactive society. If the treatments were proactive and considered the patients well being I think they would work much better.

 

[mom'sfolly]

Multiple personality disorder and schizophrenia are not the same.

Schizophrenia and bi-polar disorder aren't pyscho-babble. They are not illness you can wish away, or change by behavior. They have very clear chemical changes in the brain. Changes in brain chemistry that cause psychosis are no less illnesses than the changes in insulin processing that is diabetes.

Many people with a variety of mental illness are functional, even without meds. That doesn't mean they aren't mentally ill.

I agree that there has to be more research, and better treatments. Strangely enough, neuroscience is one of the disciplines that will help develop better treatments.

More to the topic, I heard a very interesting piece on All Things Considered today. It was about the families of mass murderers, and how they deal with the aftermath. With both families they talked to, the families said that evil wasn't what made the murders happen, schizophrenia was what made them happen.

http://www.npr.org/2012/08/01/157737038/when-your-family-member-does-the-unthinkable