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DH has reinforced one of the breeder pens and managed to complete the screen doors for my coop. I'm just so happy to have both of the screen doors installed. He even painted them white for me. I'll have to get a pic in the next day or so. I'm feeling so much more confident in my birds being safe again. I plan to finish cutting a hole in the south wall of the coop and covering with hardware cloth. I'm not quite sure how I will keep rain out, assuming of course that we ever get any in the future, but I'll figure something out.

Here are a couple pics just for fun. Just see how big Turkey is getting! I don't know if it's a she or he, but really doesn't matter to me. I enjoy that funny bird so much. I bring it out in the mornings for a walk about the garden and it's so cute to hear it booping with excitement over finding some tidbit or another. It is just the sweetest thing! The other pic is one of several of the chickens enjoying the seeds from a sunflower DS planted in the garden.




I have a friend who buys feed from the coop by the ton and it is her high protein mix - she sells to me for 17 cents a lb! I can ask her if she's interested in selling to other locals - she has quite a large poultry thing going and sells a lot of eggs and broilers. Anyways - Winfield/Oxford area, let me know.
I would be very interested in some! Next time, give me a PM and I'll be in.

I went to town and delivered 5 cockerels and two drake pekin ducks to my Chinese client. He now has decided he wants to buy a couple hens from me. He looked at my garden yesterday when he was here. Today he said your garden has no bugs. I have to kill bugs all the time. I want to buy 2 hens to eat bugs. I told him I could sell him the hens and he would have some of his own eggs. Of course he has no fence or a coop. I have noticed he does garden the most spectacular way. He has vegetables planted in every little nook and corner without it looking out of place or unsightly. It is all weed free and very tidy. An amazing use of space. I really could learn a lot from him. He uses no chemicals at all and his vegetables are beautiful. Today he gave me some chinese cucumbers which are weird looking things. He said they have a lot better flavor than American cucumbers. He told me if I liked them he would save some seed for me for next year. He has built trellises using natural branches and stuff that are more or less woven and look beautiful. It amazes me how some other cultures make so much better use out of all that they have than we do.
I also went out and gave my peafowl some more left over salad greens. The strategy I am trying has really worked. I was told to give them ice in their water and any kind of veggies and greens. So I've been dropping a 2 liter bottle of ice in their water and giving them cucumbers and peppers since that is all I have right now. Sure enough the hen got up from her nest and she has three eggs in there!!! I am so thrilled. It is late for a peafowl to lay but by golly she is.
Yesterday I gave the geese some grass I pulled and a bunch of radishes that had gotten woody. They were thrilled with them. I may never end up with a decent garden for myself but if I can feed the refuse to the birds I am happy. I wish I lived closer to some bigger restaurants. I would take all of their leftover veggie greens and cuttings.

I'd better go check on DH. He is out trying to finish the gate post for the electric fence.
Danz, that guy's natural trellises sound pretty cool. I've thought about doing something like that with all those branches I have in my back brush pile. I think that would be a good way to use up some of that stuff without just taking it to the dump.

I LOL'ed about your garden being used for the birds. Granted, I've gotten tons of squash from my garden but I also share it with the chickens. I cut them into chunks and freeze them. Then in the heat of the late afternoon, take it to them for a treat. They really love them! Oddly enough, the strawberries have begun to put on some tiny little berries again. The bantams snatch them up as soon as they pink up a bit.
Well, we have decided not to keep Tory. Long story short, the stress of dealing with her was worse than the stress of worrying about the chickens. The first couple of weeks she was doing fine but this last week she really started to roam and it was stressing out DH and therefore causing tension between us. Although the neighbors have so far been nice about it, he is acutely aware that we are new to the neighborhood and he doesn't want rifts with the neighbors before we even get started here. Already I have roosters crowing and guineas, so a wandering dog might be more than they can take. Also, she started to run out to the fence and squeeze under whenever a jogger or bicyclist would go by and ignored my command to stop. I understand LGD's are free spirits but they are still dogs at the end of the day and in my mind, they can't call the shots - they have to accept me as pack leader, just like my other dogs do. Tory will come when called - if she feels like it. If she doesn't, she'll just look over at me and continue on her way. And if there were a jogger, bicyclist or someone walking another dog, forget it. I've had to run out and apologize profusely more than once and while everyone has been understanding so far, quite honestly, I wouldn't be that happy if I were the recipient of a huge dog running at me barking while I jogged past so I wouldn't blame someone one bit for getting upset enough to report it. We've spent days discussing various options, and I've talked to my neighbor from two doors down about installing do-it-yourself electric fencing. He did his own and rigged up a neat way to do it, borrowing a relatives tractor and hooking up a hook upside down so it dug a little farrow when it was pulled. He even got the wire to feed down through the hook and directly into the ground and then his wife walked along behind pushing the dirt back down with her foot. So I was going to ask him to help me do the same at my place. However even he said the ground is just too hard now and we should wait until Fall so in some ways it felt like I got a free pass to wait a few months (although his isn't the only place she roams). Although that also means 2-3 more months of daily stress over wondering where she is at any given time. I had previously asked my neighbor if I couldn't just install it above ground but he said he wouldn't recommend it because it would be too easy to take it out with a mower or weeds or even weather, and then the system wouldn't work at all until repaired.

However even to install it myself, buying the system online and paying him to help me install it was going to end up costing several hundred dollars so I had to sit down and give it more thought. I have a small flock of poultry, and to protect them I adopted a large dog who is going to need care and feeding the rest of her life, only now, in order to keep the dog home where she can actually DO her job, I have to spend hundreds to keep her in. And it hit me that although I value my flock, that was going overboard.

The other piece of it is that I'm not sure how good a LGD she is going to turn out to be anyway. It is to the point now that she will disappear in the morning to go and play with above-mentioned neighbor's dog and be gone (if we don't go and get her) for hours. They are far enough up the road that if something were going on down at our place, she would never know it. When she comes home, she sleeps for the day (which is fine - I get that they are nocturnal dogs) but this dog sleeps far more soundly than most people. I've walked over her, opened and closed the house door or car doors loudly right next to her and its not that she's just deciding these are sounds she doesn't need to react to - she is so sound asleep she never even hears us. When Trish came to visit the other day, my other dog ran out and barked and sounded the alert that someone was here - I don't think Tory ever knew Trish was here even though we walked down to the coop a couple of times and stood in the driveway talking - only feet from where Tory was asleep under the front porch - before she left. And, although she did find the possum the other night, when a stray cat ventured onto the property, Tory never saw it. I had to lead her to within 20' of it and once she saw it she chased it off but it made me wonder how effective she would be at chasing off a daytime predator, like my fox that attacked at 5:30 in the afternoon - a time when Tory is typically still sound asleep. I'm not that concerned about nocturnal predators as my coop would really be pretty tough for something to break into.

So what we have decided to do is to go back to the two dogs we already had, except we are now putting them in the chicken yard to sleep at night. We're going to even move our Dogloo into the chicken yard so they'll have a way to get out of the weather and a place to sleep in the winter. And, if we're going to be gone for a few hours, we can put them in there then too. I trust both of them completely around the chickens. They've slept there the past two nights and even though the chicken door is open by the time I go to let them out in the morning, none of the birds seems worried about the dogs. I am hopeful that their presence will keep any nocturnal predators from even thinking about climbing into the yard. I'm also going to hope that the 5:30pm fox was an anomaly and that future attacks will not happen during the day (although like I said, I'm not sure Tory would notice if she was here
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That's the thing, HEChicken. If it's not working, it's not working and I know what you mean about looking at the long term investment and what it's going to cost to also keep them in the yard. DH just got completely overwhelmed with it all just thinking about it. I haven't had any further problems once I realized my mistake with the electric fence. (I had one extra section of netting than the energizer could handle)

HEChicken, I'm sorry that Tory has not worked out. It may be that she just wasn't the right dog for you since she has not grown up with your chickens or been with any kind of birds or livestock before. My pups grew up on a ranch with all kinds of livestock & birds around & they were exposed as soon as the mother brought them out to the barn when they were tiny, so it's just in their makeup to protect what is here. They checkout any new birds or animals that come in & it's like they catalog them so they know what belongs, it's pretty amazing to me that they do that. Anyway, I hope your other dogs being in the chicken area discourage predators from coming in there. You do have a nice fenced area for the birds, the only concern I have is the trees right behind there where some things like possums & raccoons could hide, but maybe if they see the dogs in there they will stay out.

I think my DH got most of the front wall frame built today & said he's out of screws & we need to go get more wood, so I guess that kind of slows down the flow again until we can get out to buy some more. I'm happy to see some progress on it though. I think once we start putting up walls it will go a little faster. Just getting started on them I think is giving my DH a little more confidence now that he has some plans to go by. I can't wait to see it all go up. It was funny because when he was out there putting in screws earlier every time he would use the electric screwdriver the turkeys would gobble at him.

I love your GP's! They are a great mix of caution and friendliness. It's great to hear your DH made some progress on the coop today. It seems like everytime we are working on a project we run out of this, that, or the other thing and have to run to Lowe's. It really takes the wind out of the sails, doesn't it?
 
You have some pretty birds, Trish.

DH has reinforced one of the breeder pens and managed to complete the screen doors for my coop. I'm just so happy to have both of the screen doors installed. He even painted them white for me. I'll have to get a pic in the next day or so. I'm feeling so much more confident in my birds being safe again. I plan to finish cutting a hole in the south wall of the coop and covering with hardware cloth. I'm not quite sure how I will keep rain out, assuming of course that we ever get any in the future, but I'll figure something out.

Here are a couple pics just for fun. Just see how big Turkey is getting! I don't know if it's a she or he, but really doesn't matter to me. I enjoy that funny bird so much. I bring it out in the mornings for a walk about the garden and it's so cute to hear it booping with excitement over finding some tidbit or another. It is just the sweetest thing! The other pic is one of several of the chickens enjoying the seeds from a sunflower DS planted in the garden.

Thanks for the pictures, Karen. I like how Turkey is just looking at the camera.

I planted sunflowers just outside the back fence of the chicken yard. They grow tall enough for me to see them from the house. I can pick some to bring in for a while and the chickens like that they get so many sunflower seeds. At our garden, the cucumbers are often bitter. My aunt is in charge of the pickling cucumbers since I don't use them, and she doesn't harvest them very often. The chickens get lots of oversized, yellow cukes from that.

Welcome, Dawna!

Well, I live in town so I put on clothes before I go outside. I don't dress up much for anything, though. Jeans and a sweater or sweatshirt in winter, shorts and a tank top in summer. DH gets a set of work clothes every year, which includes workout shorts. When he gets the new ones, he gives me the old ones. They're faded and sometimes have holes in them, but they're my daily wear. They're perfect for mowing and working in the garden. I have a denim skirt/shorts combo that I wear if I want to dress up -- not too dressy, huh? We are just not dress-up people.
 
KarenS, yes it seems like that is just how it goes, especially for us, we tend to underestimate when it comes to materials even though we try to do our best at it. We were thinking only of doing the framing for the walls & not the extra pieces needed to frame windows. Oh well, we would have had to run to Lowe's again at some point, it might as well be sooner than later. They will get to know us pretty soon by the time we get this coop done. We haven't bought all of the materials for it, just some of the major ones. There are a lot of things yet we will need to get later on as we go. That's great that your DH got the screen doors up. I really would like to do that on my main coop, but haven't figured out a good way to do it yet since mine was a storage shed converted to a coop. I'm sure there is a way, but there is just too much other stuff going on right now & this darned heat is just the pits. I think we all will be relieved when this summer is over.

I love that turkey Karen, it's so cute! Aren't they the funniest birds to watch? I just love standing at the pen door & watching mine & they like to talk to me. I never thought I would like turkeys so much, but I really do like these Royal Palms anyway.

Oh & Karen I'm going to go down with Michelle & check out that feed some time later in the week. I'm just wanting to make sure it will meet the needs of my birds before I buy a bunch of it. But that would be great if I could save some money on feed. We all could benefit from that couldn't we.
 
After Tuesday, I will be joining the retirement world - so, I will move the guineas on Wednesday since I'll be home to keep an eye on things :) The keets are a lot smaller than the chickens.. the chickens are probably 3 or 4 times the keets' size right now - this might be a good time to move them.. there are 4 keets and 5 chickens. (and the 3 kittens who think they too are poultry!)

I have a little additional comment about wearing large t-shirts for nighties - I threw on an over-sized t-shirt last night and then this morning wanted to run out and get the memory card out of the game cam (have one aimed at the chicken coop to see what takes place at night around it).. anyways.. I first went over to the coop to let everyone into their fenced area - went and took the card out of the cam - plugged it into my computer... the t-shirt isn't as long as I thought.. especially in the back bending over to open a coop door :) Next time, I will turn the game cam off before bending over in front of it :)

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i needed the laugh. I often go out in my night clothes also
 
I don't want to burst anyone's bubble but if you are going to buy bulk feed be sure to check prices first. Mine just took a ridiculous jump and I'm told it will keep jumping. There are no crops so there is going to be huge shortage on grain and that means ridiculous prices. I am truly worried. I am going to try to focus on how to reduce waste. My birds all prefer to eat outside and pick food off the ground and scratch around in it. That does waste a lot. I may have to resort to feeding only inside again and putting a pan under each feeder. I would have some very unhappy birds for sure.
Sunflower if your guineas are new hatches they can walk right through chicken wire. Once they get a few weeks old and some size to them they are safe to put with chickens. I raise guineas and chickens together all the time. And I do just raise my guineas on chick starter and they do fine. Once they get some size to them they will need more protein if they can't get out to catch bugs. Ideally raise them until they are old enough to fly well then just let them free range where they want. If they can get back into the chicken yard/house for protection that is even better. I have a group that was raised and sleeps with the chickens. None of them sleep in trees as I've heard many people say there's do. Maybe that is because they feel safe with the dogs.
Trish I agree that dogs can have different personalities. I bred mine because I had the temperament I desired in both of the adults. If I were going to leave them out in a pasture with 100 goats I would breed for a more aggressive temperament. However different breeds all have certain traits and temperaments that you should consider before mixing them. Some people just don't plan breedings and whatever results is what they have. That can create some major problems.
My take is that you choose a well bred dog with selective breeding and your reduce a lot of problems. I've said all along your "problem" dog would be the best guardian of the two. I still believe that.
Hawkeye 10 acres is more than enough for a GP. 5 acres is more than enough. It's all a matter of bonding them to the stock. If they don't bond they are going to run. My dogs love chasing 4-wheelers. This really isn't a problem here because my neighbors know their aggression is just a game. They just stop the 4 wheeler and pet them if they have time. One of my neighbors has bumped them a couple times even. Marshmallow has always like to race cars. I say race because she runs off the road, not in the road after them. If she ever gets hit it will be intentional cause the driver will have to leave the road and go into the ditch to get her. That seems to be their only roaming problems since Fluff became mature.
Back to chickens I lost a red star to the heat. I didn't think that would ever happen. I've let them free range and they run all over and covet the shade. Not sure why this particular one let herself get too hot. She had dug herself a little hollow to play in the dirt and that is where she was. I really didn't think they would ever be in danger because they aren't dark colored and have plenty of places to cool off. That is the first bird I've lost to the heat in many days.
When I get home from church today I am really going to have to get proactive with the water and ice. It's going to be a tough day. It was 108 here yesterday and supposed to be even hotter today.
Heather, You struck fear in my heart talking about the drought. It kind of made me feel panicked. That is a huge what if. After the dust bowl here, that is when farmers began to plant hedge rows, the purpose not only for fencing but to keep the soil from blowing away. Now everyone is ripping out their hedge rows to make more open country and it's a huge mistake. If the drought continues they will regret it for sure. Rather than research why they were planted in the first place, people think nothing of tearing them out. Sad! It has also ruined part of the habitat for quail and turkey to nest safely.
Karen your turkey is beautiful! Don't you love turkeys!
Clothing wise, heck I never put a bra on out here unless I know someone is coming. I've gotten so used to it that I just die from the heat if I wear one. The funniest is I have some tank tops with spaghetti straps that over time stretch out and get lower and lower. Sometimes they get pretty darned revealing! Or some that really are too thin to be worn alone but I do anyway.
I did make a few aprons with the intent of using them to gather eggs and such but I always forget to put them on. But even with an apron they wouldn't cover my butt if I were choring in a dress! I think Josie was right. Wear the dresses and that will make the unannounced visitors call first!!
 
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"retirement" needs to be in quotes :) I am currently a case manager and work with mentally retarded/developmentally disabled/mental ill/ etc. children and adults. I am also very involved in the Kansas Guardianship Program and am a guardian to 4 wards. One of my wards, I will always refer to her as "R" so not to use her real name - she will be moving in with me come August 1st. I will not be going to work, but will work from home persay. She lives in a group home right now and I will become her group home and be paid her state funds as a residential provider instead of the current agency.

She will attend a day program from 8-4.. I will have all day to do things around here, etc. I'm really excited and feel blessed to have this opportunity to stay home and still make a good income.
 
I put blankets on the line to dry. I'm doing my part to make it rain.

Started bumblefoot soaks today with tri-cide neo. If I don't see improvement in the girls in a few days, surgery. The roo will need surgery since he is actually limping, and Lily my original EE hen will have to have surgery again. Hers is a continuation from last fall when we didn't get it completely cured. I hate it that I didn't insist on checking him earlier. He was so good this morning getting his feet soaked.. He didn't struggle or flap around at all. Can't say that for a couple of the girls, though.
 
sunflowerparrot, well anyway that sounds better than having to go to work every day. It will give you more time to work on your new place for sure. I just think it would be a terrible mistake to put your baby guineas out yet, they're too small. I think they would disappear in short order & they're too small to fend for themselves yet.

Danz, even if the price of the grains for the bulk feed goes up it still will probably be less expensive than the bagged feeds I'm buying now at 30 some cents a pound. If the grains go up then the bagged feeds will too. Do you still buy the chick starter then for your little chicks? Do you feed the other birds all the bulk feed you mix, including your game birds? I'm trying to figure out if this would work for all of my birds except maybe the chicks. Right now I've been buying 3 kinds of feed; layer, chick starter, & game bird starter. The bulk feed I think she said was 16% before the add-on ingredients & then it's 22% protein with them. I asked about the calcium requirements for the layers & she said there is calcium added. Does that sound like something I could get away with feeding all the birds including the turkeys & peafowl?

I'm glad I'm not the only one that runs around home not in my best attire for going outside. I stopped awhile back wearing a bra at home because it's so darned uncomfortable in the heat. I usually have on some old ratty jean shorts & a t-shirt, some of which I have painted in & gotten paint on them, so I can relate about not liking people to show up unannounced at my house. A lot of times I have been outside & gotten all sweaty & my hair is just plastered to my head, so I don't look my best at all. Those are the times I hope nobody shows up for sure.

I'm sorry about your Red Star Danz, those are really good layers. I only have one of them left now. I worry the most about the young pullets I just got the end of April that are hanging around in the run all the time. I can't seem to get it through their little heads to go out & seek some shade instead of staying in there where it's so darned hot. I go out & run them out of there & they go right back in & sit in a pile & pant, dumb girls.
 

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