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Danz, sounds like a good day for you, at least with sales.

Oh gotcha! I've had it happen and hesitated to mention it because I figured people would poo-poo the idea as impossible but when I mentioned it on here several people said new layers will sometimes do that. In my case, I also knew it was the same bird because I only have one Cuckoo Marans and her eggs are quite distinct from the others. The first time she did it, she laid 4 eggs in one day
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They were all hard-shelled too. Needless to say she didn't lay at all the next day or two. It was several weeks later that she did it again and that time she laid two eggs in one day. In both instances I knew they hadn't been left from the day before because on the day she laid four, there was another new one there every time I went out to look that day!

Well, we have decided not to keep Tory. Long story short, the stress of dealing with her was worse than the stress of worrying about the chickens. The first couple of weeks she was doing fine but this last week she really started to roam and it was stressing out DH and therefore causing tension between us. Although the neighbors have so far been nice about it, he is acutely aware that we are new to the neighborhood and he doesn't want rifts with the neighbors before we even get started here. Already I have roosters crowing and guineas, so a wandering dog might be more than they can take. Also, she started to run out to the fence and squeeze under whenever a jogger or bicyclist would go by and ignored my command to stop. I understand LGD's are free spirits but they are still dogs at the end of the day and in my mind, they can't call the shots - they have to accept me as pack leader, just like my other dogs do. Tory will come when called - if she feels like it. If she doesn't, she'll just look over at me and continue on her way. And if there were a jogger, bicyclist or someone walking another dog, forget it. I've had to run out and apologize profusely more than once and while everyone has been understanding so far, quite honestly, I wouldn't be that happy if I were the recipient of a huge dog running at me barking while I jogged past so I wouldn't blame someone one bit for getting upset enough to report it. We've spent days discussing various options, and I've talked to my neighbor from two doors down about installing do-it-yourself electric fencing. He did his own and rigged up a neat way to do it, borrowing a relatives tractor and hooking up a hook upside down so it dug a little farrow when it was pulled. He even got the wire to feed down through the hook and directly into the ground and then his wife walked along behind pushing the dirt back down with her foot. So I was going to ask him to help me do the same at my place. However even he said the ground is just too hard now and we should wait until Fall so in some ways it felt like I got a free pass to wait a few months (although his isn't the only place she roams). Although that also means 2-3 more months of daily stress over wondering where she is at any given time. I had previously asked my neighbor if I couldn't just install it above ground but he said he wouldn't recommend it because it would be too easy to take it out with a mower or weeds or even weather, and then the system wouldn't work at all until repaired.

Oh my, 4 eggs!
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I'll bet she was tired!

I'm sorry Tory is too much. Our Weim is a sweetheart with us, but when company first comes over, she's a terror. She sometimes jumps, but the bigger problem is that she's a mouther. She's not trying to bite anyone, but they often think she is. And she's a big dog with big teeth; I don't blame them. We've been able to train her not to do those things with us, and mostly she doesn't. When she does, it's easy to get it stopped. We can't figure out how to get her to realize those rules apply to everyone. It's stressful when people come over and we often just try to keep her in the basement while people are here. Then they think we're mean to the dog. I know no one but us really likes her, though my parents try and they tolerate her well. Fortunately, I guess, people don't come over all that often. If your dog is causing you so much stress and worry, and not even doing the job you got her for, I think you're doing the right thing by not keeping her. It will only get worse over time. I only deal with the stress a few times a month. Dealing with it on a constant basis will probably end up making you sick or otherwise affecting your health.

cherwill, I guess we all misunderstood you about the eggs, you do have a variety there. I also have quite a variety in my egg basket when all of my hens are laying, which they're not right now. I was looking around at my hens today & only a select few are even laying in this heat. I can't blame them though, it's so hard on them.

I think my DH got most of the front wall frame built today & said he's out of screws & we need to go get more wood, so I guess that kind of slows down the flow again until we can get out to buy some more. I'm happy to see some progress on it though. I think once we start putting up walls it will go a little faster. Just getting started on them I think is giving my DH a little more confidence now that he has some plans to go by. I can't wait to see it all go up. It was funny because when he was out there putting in screws earlier every time he would use the electric screwdriver the turkeys would gobble at him.

Trish, I can't figure out why my chickens have decided this is the time to lay eggs. They sure didn't lay in the heat last summer.

Sounds like you're getting some good work done and the turkeys are cheering you on! That's really funny.
 
Maybe Tory just doesn't have the right breeding or was not raised in the right circumstances to be a good LGD. You said she was mixed breed,right? I wouldn't be without my dogs but I have so many birds to protect that they really do have to work hard. They sleep and seem to ignore me sometimes but let one little sound erupt they are up and going. I can't imagine a dog who would sleep if a stranger pulled in the drive.
I'm still not done feeding and watering today. It just seems like it is taking me forever. Some of the birds act very heat stressed today. I just went out with bottle for the water. Is this heat ever going to end?
 
Hechicken- Sorry it didn't work out with Tory. Hopefully your other two pooches will hold down the fort for you! I think a good LGD is worth its weight in gold but I feel for you because we have been having major issues with Lucie carrying birds around and injuring them. She got ahold of a free ranging duck the other day and did a number on her. I am getting pretty sick of it. We are ordering a real shock collar to try on her but it is super frustrating to have her doing so much damage. She does work at night and is great with all the other critters on the farm including the horses and even the geese but is not doing well with the birds still. I am running out of patience with her. I told DH that she has big shoes to fill in Molly's shadow who is an absolutely awesome LGD and fabulous with the birds. If the shock collar doesn't work we are going to have to look at rehoming her with someone with larger stock that needs protection. I can't have a dog around that damages my birds and Molly is so perfect. I wish I could just clone her!!

Danz-That is a lot of ducklings and eggs! Glad you are clearing house, I don't know how you keep track of that whole gang. I can barely keep my crew happy most days! If you or anyone else has any bright ideas for my above mentioned very naught puppy let me know. She is only 6 months old and I know she is playing but it has got to stop. I feel like when it happens and I catch her like the other day she doesn't even seem that upset that she is in trouble and I am furious with her. If Molly does something wrong all I have to do is raise my voice and she slinks away but Lucie is just a defiant brat.

Well we got back a bit ago from an adventure to get an aviary for the pea chicks which I am super excited about! It is really nice and I will try to get some pics tomorrow when we move them into their new digs! Got to go out and get caught up on chores that I shirked this morning so we could drive and pick this beast up!
 
I gathered all the eggs out of the barn and put them in the incubator. They should be red star and brahma crossed for the most part so they will be bigger birds than the red stars and very good layers too. I am tired of hatching but I decided to give it a try rather than waste all those eggs.
Maybe I can sell some for fall chicks since they'll be laying by spring.
I had one more duck sitting and she came out with 4 babies this afternoon. I guess I'm not out of baby ducks after all. I'll let her try to raise them. They usually aren't very successful.
 
I'm in Texas now but originally from Southeast Kansas. Still have family ties there. Was born and raised in Columbus. I have 7 hens in my flock. Have lost a few chickens along the way, but none to predators. They are free-range .We have two Border Collies that are good protectors. I put a heat reflecting tarp over the top of a 10' x 15' pen to help with the heat problem. Also keep pans of water they can step into, which seems to be something they like. You are having the heat problem there now.
 
Josie, you are not past the really naughty puppy stage yet, give her some more time. I know it's aggravating believe me I do & I had two of them at the same time, double trouble. Mine however have two distinctly different personalities. My Lily sounds more like your Lucie personality wise. I'm telling you I severely punished Lily at times, staking her out in the middle of the yard, shutting her in the dog run alone for a day & it didn't make much impact. Jasmine on the other hand has never liked to be scolded. When you yell at her she hangs her head & skulks off. Lily has gotten much better with maturity, she is starting to mind better & is is much more mild mannered than when she was Lucie's age. They're 10 months old this month & I can see so much difference in them now than even 2 or 3 months ago. I get so tickled at them though, Jasmine has always been the lead in everything & she has always corrected Lily if she thought she needed it. Even now sometimes you see her lift up her leg & just give Lily a shove like straighten up, it's hilarious to see. I guess my point is that mostly it just takes time & maturity to get past this stage. It's aggravating to have to put up with the behavior, but once you get past it it's wonderful. A lot of it just is normal puppy behavior that all puppies exhibit. They do things you don't want to encourage just like chewing on your shoes only it's with live birds. You have to keep reinforcing the boundaries, but I firmly believe she will get past this stage just like mine did. Now I'm just really happy with them overall. They're doing their jobs at night chasing off predators & keeping my animals safe. I'm not thrilled with the bringing home junk & trash every day, but I can live with that if that's the worst they do.
 
All of my dogs have responded to scolding like it really upsets them and usually once or twice does the trick. Well except for dragging trash out and stringing it everywhere. That just doesn't stop until they get about 18 months old. I wonder if the problems you are having has to do with the mixed breeds. Seems like the Pyrenees are very sensitive. I'm not saying that there aren't excellent dogs out there with akbash or Antolian in them though.
Josie, I know you got Lucie as a pup so I am a bit confused as to why she is so hard headed. I would think one or two good scoldings would work for her. If you get the shock collar be sure to shave close to the skin so it can make contact. If burning her a time of two doesn't do the trick I might be giving up as well. Maturity does wonders for these dogs but no one can afford to loose a bunch of birds to a dog that won't mind. I would have to rehome my dogs to a goat farm if they played with the birds too hard.
I guess I've been extremely lucky. My dogs have been raised with the birds right there so they know they are family and not toys. Well other than Cloud liking to run into a group of ducks to make them scatter....but she has never grabbed one.
I wish I knew the answer.
I keep having people show up unannounced. First there was the people for eggs, then another guy showed up just to look at my wood and mandarin pen. I do wish people would call and let me know they are coming instead of just driving in. What if I was out there naked feeding my birds or something!
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Seriously, it is starting to bug me. I like the business but my phone number IS in the book.
 
I don't know what to think now. Here are my EE eggs I just collected. One olive and two that are tiny and blue-green just like a couple of days ago. However, there is the slightest difference in color on the two little eggs. Last time, I thought it was a bit of staining because one had been covered in what looked like dried yolk. Today both of those little eggs were completely clean, but one is still very slightly .... more brown? ... than the other. The oldest two are from a January hatch and I've been assuming they're the only ones laying. They just started a couple of weeks ago. The younger two are from a hatch in March. Is it really possible that one of the younger EEs has started laying already? Or is it just a normal variation in New Sophia's eggs? I know my older birds lay various shades of tan, sometimes spotted and sometimes not, so I assume not every egg from the same bird is completely identical.




 
I hear you on that Danz! I go out in my nightgown every morning to do the first check on the animals. Only yesterday, I didn't want to leave Tory in case she disappeared so I stayed out with her until 10am when she retired for her daytime sleep. My neighbor came over to visit and I felt very conspicuous standing there in front of my house in nothing but my nightgown talking to her
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Tory is GP/Akbash mixed but since both are LGD's, I would have thought the mix would still work well as a LGD. Her parents were both papered and are working dogs. I guess normally they only breed GP to GP and Akbash to Akbash but this one time they had decided to try the mix to see how the pups would turn out. I really like the short hair coat that resulted. She was bought/adopted as a puppy by people who live on a farm so she had early exposure to large livestock. They even kept chickens but the chickens were kept penned so Tory didn't have much exposure to them. That is one of the other concerns about her is her too-keen interest in the birds. She has (as far as I know) killed two. Now granted they got out of the chicken yard, and I didn't see her do it but the day the previous owner brought her over here she did lunge after one and it was only the fact she was on leash that avoided tragedy so I can kind of picture what happened with the two that turned up dead. I've since fixed the problem area of the fence where those two were getting out and haven't had a chicken out since. The guineas are another matter since they like to fly and sometimes misjudge their landing. So far Tory hasn't noticed when they are out and they're pretty easy to get back in, but it is one of those things that feels like "just a matter of time". It is something I thought I might try to work on but honestly, I'm not sure I would ever 100% trust her around them. That really hit home with Danz' picture the other day. My other two dogs I could see in that picture but not Tory. Neither of the other two ever showed any interest that had to be redirected - they were just both good around chickens right from the get-go.

Josie, I'm sorry that is still an issue for you with Lucie - you have my sympathies. I think I would be considering rehoming too, if the shock collar doesn't work; she may well still be a good LGD as long as small animals aren't involved. I've seen an ad on CL for a shock collar for $65 that is in Derby. Let me know if you're interested and I can send you the link.

Well, it is another hot week coming up. I wish I could see an end to the drought but what has me scared is we went through this in Australia, I guess starting two decades or so ago. The drought there lasted 15 years and was just as bad as it is here. Well, maybe worse because in a typical year we get less rain there than here overall. It got to the point no one was allowed to use a hose. Period. People started doing things like buying big plastic tubs to stand in while in the shower so all of the water, instead of going down the drain, would wind up in the tub and could be carted outside to be used to water whatever small garden patches they were still trying to grow. Car washes were shut down and no one was allowed to use water to wash cars at home either. A huge percentage of the livestock that existed before the drought was slaughtered as farmers/ranchers went broke. The animals often weren't even much good for meat because they were too skinny but at least it was one less mouth for the farmer to feed. Crops were wiped out. At one point bananas were $15/kilo ($7.50/lb). I can't even remember other prices but it was dismal. As you can imagine, even once the drought officially broke, it was several years before anyone was willing to say we were out of the woods because dams were at such low levels - if they even still had water left in them - that it took several years of "normal" rainfall to get them to start to get back up to a capacity that made people not worry so much. So although we feel like in our second year of drought "How much more can we take?", I've lived it and it really can get a lot worse yet. I really hope it doesn't get that bad here.
 
Josie, you are not past the really naughty puppy stage yet, give her some more time. I know it's aggravating believe me I do & I had two of them at the same time, double trouble. Mine however have two distinctly different personalities. My Lily sounds more like your Lucie personality wise. I'm telling you I severely punished Lily at times, staking her out in the middle of the yard, shutting her in the dog run alone for a day & it didn't make much impact. Jasmine on the other hand has never liked to be scolded. When you yell at her she hangs her head & skulks off. Lily has gotten much better with maturity, she is starting to mind better & is is much more mild mannered than when she was Lucie's age. They're 10 months old this month & I can see so much difference in them now than even 2 or 3 months ago. I get so tickled at them though, Jasmine has always been the lead in everything & she has always corrected Lily if she thought she needed it. Even now sometimes you see her lift up her leg & just give Lily a shove like straighten up, it's hilarious to see. I guess my point is that mostly it just takes time & maturity to get past this stage. It's aggravating to have to put up with the behavior, but once you get past it it's wonderful. A lot of it just is normal puppy behavior that all puppies exhibit. They do things you don't want to encourage just like chewing on your shoes only it's with live birds. You have to keep reinforcing the boundaries, but I firmly believe she will get past this stage just like mine did. Now I'm just really happy with them overall. They're doing their jobs at night chasing off predators & keeping my animals safe. I'm not thrilled with the bringing home junk & trash every day, but I can live with that if that's the worst they do.
I would love it if she would straighten up but she has been really bad lately. I am amazed at the disconnect she has between punishment and the birds. I hope she gets her head straightened out.
All of my dogs have responded to scolding like it really upsets them and usually once or twice does the trick. Well except for dragging trash out and stringing it everywhere. That just doesn't stop until they get about 18 months old. I wonder if the problems you are having has to do with the mixed breeds. Seems like the Pyrenees are very sensitive. I'm not saying that there aren't excellent dogs out there with akbash or Antolian in them though.
Josie, I know you got Lucie as a pup so I am a bit confused as to why she is so hard headed. I would think one or two good scoldings would work for her. If you get the shock collar be sure to shave close to the skin so it can make contact. If burning her a time of two doesn't do the trick I might be giving up as well. Maturity does wonders for these dogs but no one can afford to loose a bunch of birds to a dog that won't mind. I would have to rehome my dogs to a goat farm if they played with the birds too hard.
I guess I've been extremely lucky. My dogs have been raised with the birds right there so they know they are family and not toys. Well other than Cloud liking to run into a group of ducks to make them scatter....but she has never grabbed one.
I wish I knew the answer.
It is infuriating. This poor duck, I am so glad I caught her before she killed it. She just carries them around until they die of the stress I think. She was raised with the birds, in a pen with birds and has always been around the free ranging birds. It is getting worse. Everytime I think she has gotten through it she does it again. I have caught and punished her several times but don't know what else to do other than the shock collar. Even then I don't trust her. She works hard at night and spends a lot of time with the horses. She does have 1/4 rough collie in her but her mom was half rough collie and she was sleeping under a tree with a bunch of chickens all over her. That was primarily why these folks had LGDs was to protect their birds. She was born into a pen with birds. She was the most outgoing pup and I think that was part of my mistake. I should have gotten a quieter pup. I have worked and worked with her. I just don't understand why she keeps chewing on the birds, she acts like they are a toy carrying them around in her mouth. She is the most stubborn dog I have ever met, hard headed pain the butt. I don't get her at all. I have a lot of experience with dogs too but just don't get what her deal is.
I keep having people show up unannounced. First there was the people for eggs, then another guy showed up just to look at my wood and mandarin pen. I do wish people would call and let me know they are coming instead of just driving in. What if I was out there naked feeding my birds or something!
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Seriously, it is starting to bug me. I like the business but my phone number IS in the book.
Hahahahaha!! Maybe you should start feeding the birds naked, that would teach people to just show up!!! Maybe you need a gate and hours that you are open? If people show up just tell them they need to come back during "business" hours. That is what I would do. It would weird me out if people just showed up, I would worry they would show up when I wasn't there and take something.
 

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