Consolidated Kansas

[Hawkeye95]

I've heard before that LOCAL honey can help with environmental allergies. I'll have to pass that on to my daughter.

Sharol

Sharol and Rooster-- we've been buying Kansas honey for quite a while now. You can find it at local health stores-- we have a "Food For Thought" that sells it and maybe even Whole Foods sells it too. Other than that, I've never seen it in a large grocery store, so I do have to go out of my way to buy it. The thing is that a lot of people believe that honey will or can reduce allergy symptoms, but even though it's never had a University study done on it, a lot of experts have weighed in saying that it's False. I've read the reasons-- saying that the bees bring in not just the pollen from the flowers, but from grasses, trees, etc but also contaminants and foreign substances that are not pollen. (one site even listed diesel!) One expert stated that ingesting it or breathing it in each allergy season is no different. SO I really don't know! My reasons for eating local Kansas honey actually has NOTHING to do with allergies! My reasons for using Kansas honey is 1. I know it's pure. Last year I read that a LOT of the honey Americans consume and is available on the selves at your grocery stores comes from other countries and I had specifically read about honey from China. They had done testing on it and discovered that the honey was not pure and had been bulked up by putting in other products into the honey-- and in most cases actually discovered metals in it! That's bad... and it's unethical and just WRONG. That spurred me to buy only local Kansas honey where it was bottled on the farm and coming straight from a local farmer who wasn't going to be putting in extra "stuff" into the honey. My second reason for buying it is to support the local farmers right here in Kansas! And you know what? Kansas honey often does cost more than the grocery store brands... BUT, when you consider that you are NOT buying pure honey in the grocery store and it has metals and other contaminants in it, I'll pay a bit more for pure local honey and support the farmer down the road.

I'm not saying the allergy benefit is a bunch of crap, and I'd love to believe it's true, but there just is no evidence to support it. Of course.. I don't always believe the "experts" anyway.

So if anything, buy the Kansas honey because you don't want to be poisoned by whatever export country decided to put whatever "stuff" they wanted in their honey.

 

[HEChicken]

would anyone here who hopefully does't live to far be interested in a turken chick and a silver laced wyandotte chick? both were picked from pullet bins. i sadly have to decrease the number of ckicks i have and so these are the two that need a new good home.

Where in Kansas are you located? It will help to narrow down the specific location since this is a big state....

Sharol and Rooster-- we've been buying Kansas honey for quite a while now. You can find it at local health stores-- we have a "Food For Thought" that sells it and maybe even Whole Foods sells it too. Other than that, I've never seen it in a large grocery store, so I do have to go out of my way to buy it. The thing is that a lot of people believe that honey will or can reduce allergy symptoms, but even though it's never had a University study done on it, a lot of experts have weighed in saying that it's False. I've read the reasons-- saying that the bees bring in not just the pollen from the flowers, but from grasses, trees, etc but also contaminants and foreign substances that are not pollen. (one site even listed diesel!) One expert stated that ingesting it or breathing it in each allergy season is no different. SO I really don't know! My reasons for eating local Kansas honey actually has NOTHING to do with allergies! My reasons for using Kansas honey is 1. I know it's pure. Last year I read that a LOT of the honey Americans consume and is available on the selves at your grocery stores comes from other countries and I had specifically read about honey from China. They had done testing on it and discovered that the honey was not pure and had been bulked up by putting in other products into the honey-- and in most cases actually discovered metals in it! That's bad... and it's unethical and just WRONG. That spurred me to buy only local Kansas honey where it was bottled on the farm and coming straight from a local farmer who wasn't going to be putting in extra "stuff" into the honey. My second reason for buying it is to support the local farmers right here in Kansas! And you know what? Kansas honey often does cost more than the grocery store brands... BUT, when you consider that you are NOT buying pure honey in the grocery store and it has metals and other contaminants in it, I'll pay a bit more for pure local honey and support the farmer down the road.

I'm not saying the allergy benefit is a bunch of crap, and I'd love to believe it's true, but there just is no evidence to support it. Of course.. I don't always believe the "experts" anyway.

So if anything, buy the Kansas honey because you don't want to be poisoned by whatever export country decided to put whatever "stuff" they wanted in their honey.

A well thought out argument. When I first heard that about local honey, it made complete sense to me - the idea that local honey contains the pollens to which I am reacting, it made sense that it would also help with allergies. But when I mentioned it to DH, he said that was a load of baloney and made the same arguments that you did. We later researched it more and, like you, found that there is no basis for local honey actually helping with allergies. But - I still prefer to buy local for the same reasons. CW Feed down in Old Town sells local honey on their front counter, for anyone in the Wichita area who is interested in trying it. You can also sometimes find local honey at Farmer's Markets over the summer season.

 

[sharol]

Doctors also still say that artificial dyes in food don't cause attention deficit problems in kids, but I have personal experience that says that they do. My daughter would have been on drugs at the age of 5 if we hadn't discovered her sensitivity to Yellow 5 and Red 2 (as well as some others) back in the 70's. She still has to avoid brightly colored artificially colored foods, but it isn't so bad now that she is an adult.

There are lots of remedies that aren't tested but seem to work.

I buy local honey for the same reason as lots of others. I know my bee keeper personally, and I know he doesn't adulterate his honey with corn syrup. I can trust the quality of his product.

Sharol

Where in Kansas are you located? It will help to narrow down the specific location since this is a big state....

A well thought out argument. When I first heard that about local honey, it made complete sense to me - the idea that local honey contains the pollens to which I am reacting, it made sense that it would also help with allergies. But when I mentioned it to DH, he said that was a load of baloney and made the same arguments that you did. We later researched it more and, like you, found that there is no basis for local honey actually helping with allergies. But - I still prefer to buy local for the same reasons. CW Feed down in Old Town sells local honey on their front counter, for anyone in the Wichita area who is interested in trying it. You can also sometimes find local honey at Farmer's Markets over the summer season.

 

[HEChicken]

Doctors also still say that artificial dyes in food don't cause attention deficit problems in kids, but I have personal experience that says that they do. My daughter would have been on drugs at the age of 5 if we hadn't discovered her sensitivity to Yellow 5 and Red 2 (as well as some others) back in the 70's. She still has to avoid brightly colored artificially colored foods, but it isn't so bad now that she is an adult.

There are lots of remedies that aren't tested but seem to work.

I buy local honey for the same reason as lots of others. I know my bee keeper personally, and I know he doesn't adulterate his honey with corn syrup. I can trust the quality of his product.

Oh trust me, I don't place a lot of faith in doctors so rarely listen to what they have to say. My DH is not a doctor though, and is almost always right about stuff like this. Even when I think he's wrong, I later find out he was right

But I don't think it matters much one way or the other either - whether or not it actually helps with allergies, I think its better to buy local and fresh whenever possible and if it actually helps someone's allergies or just helps because they believe it does, either way, its a good thing

I totally agree with you on food dyes - my mother was highly suspicious of them when I was a kid and never bought or allowed us to have food items that contained a lot of dye. I do think they are one of the reasons for the high rates of ADD and ADHD among recent generations. Again, that is anecdotal and there may be no basis for it in "studies" but I just can't imagine all that stuff is good for us. I don't do diets but I do follow a few simple rules when buying food and feeding my family, and one of them is "Never buy something that contains ingredients I can't pronounce".

Oh darn. DD has been sick the past few days with a cough and congestion - and she rarely gets either. Now I feel like I'm coming down with it too. Its hardly surprising since I only have to be within 200' of someone with a cold to get it, but still, the optimist in me was hoping to avoid this one.

Its May Day and I can't plant seedlings yet because there is possible snow in the forecast - how sad is that? Also, I'm concerned if we really get snow there will be tree limbs down all over the place, since the trees are trying to leaf out. That will mean power failures, so I hope everyone has a backup plan for incubators, brooders etc.

My chicks spent the night outside last night in their new pen, since the overnight low was only supposed to be 60. They are 3 weeks old and seemed to cope very well overnight - happy as can be this morning. I put their EcoGlow out in the pen even though it wasn't plugged in. I figured they might still want to snuggle under "Mama" since that is what they have known their whole lives. This morning that is exactly where they were

 

[Ralph Moyer]

Sharol and Rooster-- we've been buying Kansas honey for quite a while now. You can find it at local health stores-- we have a "Food For Thought" that sells it and maybe even Whole Foods sells it too. Other than that, I've never seen it in a large grocery store, so I do have to go out of my way to buy it. The thing is that a lot of people believe that honey will or can reduce allergy symptoms, but even though it's never had a University study done on it, a lot of experts have weighed in saying that it's False. I've read the reasons-- saying that the bees bring in not just the pollen from the flowers, but from grasses, trees, etc but also contaminants and foreign substances that are not pollen. (one site even listed diesel!) One expert stated that ingesting it or breathing it in each allergy season is no different. SO I really don't know! My reasons for eating local Kansas honey actually has NOTHING to do with allergies! My reasons for using Kansas honey is 1. I know it's pure. Last year I read that a LOT of the honey Americans consume and is available on the selves at your grocery stores comes from other countries and I had specifically read about honey from China. They had done testing on it and discovered that the honey was not pure and had been bulked up by putting in other products into the honey-- and in most cases actually discovered metals in it! That's bad... and it's unethical and just WRONG. That spurred me to buy only local Kansas honey where it was bottled on the farm and coming straight from a local farmer who wasn't going to be putting in extra "stuff" into the honey. My second reason for buying it is to support the local farmers right here in Kansas! And you know what? Kansas honey often does cost more than the grocery store brands... BUT, when you consider that you are NOT buying pure honey in the grocery store and it has metals and other contaminants in it, I'll pay a bit more for pure local honey and support the farmer down the road.

I'm not saying the allergy benefit is a bunch of crap, and I'd love to believe it's true, but there just is no evidence to support it. Of course.. I don't always believe the "experts" anyway.

So if anything, buy the Kansas honey because you don't want to be poisoned by whatever export country decided to put whatever "stuff" they wanted in their honey.

I don't know much about honey and allergies but I know a little about goats milk and hay fever. I had a man in my crew where I worked that had suffered every year. He had heard that dairy goats ranging on weeds had qualities that helped. I told him that goats milk had a strong taste if eating rag weed. He said he didn't care if it helped. To make a long story short, I provided him with goats milk and his problem went away. And when our job ended he bought a goat.

 

[tweetybaby2005]

Is it raining anywhere else in KS? I'm miserable in here... it's been thunder-storming for ages!

Nope. But the sky just turned a few shades of darker grey color so I assumed the front has just hit us. Sigh... I think the storm will be here sooner than I thought.

I am so behind on posts!! We've been busy over here as always. I moved my five week olds out to the newly built coop last night! I was rather nervous but I think they did fine. I am worried about the weather coming up over the weekend. Do you all think that it will be too cold for them to stay out there? Should I move them back inside for those few days or see how they do? The coop is not insulated, but there is a thick layer of bedding on the bottom. I also made a window on one side that I'm thinking will need covered up before then? What should I do to prepare?

I just moved my 6 weekers to the main coop and it is an open air coop. If your 5 week olds are not completely feathererd out yet, you can provide a heat source, cover the window to ensure no draft then I think they should be OK.

I've noticed a few posting about allergies. I suffer from allergies as well. A few years ago I started using natural honey from someone local to me. A couple of teaspoons a day really helps!

Hmmm... something to ponder... I don't mind taking the honey just as long as the bees don't come with it since I was stung by one when I was a little girl and I get very uneasy even being remotely near one. But DH saw an ad in craigslist a few days ago, someone was selling honey bee boxes of something like that. I told him if he gets it, that's ground for a divorce.

would anyone here who hopefully does't live to far be interested in a turken chick and a silver laced wyandotte chick? both were picked from pullet bins. i sadly have to decrease the number of ckicks i have and so these are the two that need a new good home.



the chicks...

Can you tell us where you are located? We may have a few people close to your area who may want to pick them up.

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OK. What's with the multi quotes today? Lost a few posts and don't know what's what. I think I saw Danz's post about her fencing being done. Woot on that! That's a major project and $$$$. Also saw Ralph's post about goat milk and allergies. Since I'm lactose intolerant, that may not be something I can try??? I'm not sure. If it doesn't botther my GI, I'm definitely willing to try but raw honey seems to be easier to swallow.

Kuan

 

[lizzyGSR]

Sharol and Rooster-- we've been buying Kansas honey for quite a while now. You can find it at local health stores-- we have a "Food For Thought" that sells it and maybe even Whole Foods sells it too. Other than that, I've never seen it in a large grocery store, so I do have to go out of my way to buy it. The thing is that a lot of people believe that honey will or can reduce allergy symptoms, but even though it's never had a University study done on it, a lot of experts have weighed in saying that it's False. I've read the reasons-- saying that the bees bring in not just the pollen from the flowers, but from grasses, trees, etc but also contaminants and foreign substances that are not pollen. (one site even listed diesel!) One expert stated that ingesting it or breathing it in each allergy season is no different. SO I really don't know! My reasons for eating local Kansas honey actually has NOTHING to do with allergies! My reasons for using Kansas honey is 1. I know it's pure. Last year I read that a LOT of the honey Americans consume and is available on the selves at your grocery stores comes from other countries and I had specifically read about honey from China. They had done testing on it and discovered that the honey was not pure and had been bulked up by putting in other products into the honey-- and in most cases actually discovered metals in it! That's bad... and it's unethical and just WRONG. That spurred me to buy only local Kansas honey where it was bottled on the farm and coming straight from a local farmer who wasn't going to be putting in extra "stuff" into the honey. My second reason for buying it is to support the local farmers right here in Kansas! And you know what? Kansas honey often does cost more than the grocery store brands... BUT, when you consider that you are NOT buying pure honey in the grocery store and it has metals and other contaminants in it, I'll pay a bit more for pure local honey and support the farmer down the road.

I'm not saying the allergy benefit is a bunch of crap, and I'd love to believe it's true, but there just is no evidence to support it. Of course.. I don't always believe the "experts" anyway.

So if anything, buy the Kansas honey because you don't want to be poisoned by whatever export country decided to put whatever "stuff" they wanted in their honey.

With all of this talk of honey - has anyone ever heard of or tried RevHoney? The Brown family started the company. They live in North Central Kansas and are neighbors (by country standards) to my in-laws. We buy a gallon jug of honey from them roughly once a year. They even give a discount on honey if you return your used containers.

 

[sharol]

I'll vouch for goats' milk, too. When I was an infant (1946) my mother was unable to produce milk, and they put me on cows milk. When I couldn't tolerate it, they tried soy formula that was very new at the time (I guess it had been around for a while, but it was newly available in the area. It almost killed me -- turns out I have a pretty severe allergy to soy oil.. If my grandfather hadn't bought a couple of goats and started providing us with milk, I might not be here today. He swore that "cow's milk is for cows, goat's milk is for kids."

Sharol

I don't know much about honey and allergies but I know a little about goats milk and hay fever. I had a man in my crew where I worked that had suffered every year. He had heard that dairy goats ranging on weeds had qualities that helped. I told him that goats milk had a strong taste if eating rag weed. He said he didn't care if it helped. To make a long story short, I provided him with goats milk and his problem went away. And when our job ended he bought a goat.

 

[chicken danz]

I don't know what helps and what doesn't...but I do have a terrible sinus infection that is making me feel like crap!!

I buy local honey and I buy it because I love it. I use honey to flavor a lot of things in place of sugar. Do you know that real pure honey will never spoil? It is one of the purest substances on earth. If you pick up honey at the store and it has an expiration date it isn't pure honey.
I have been busy this morning and just stopped in to catch up. I guess trying to beat the storm.

 

[jennyjane73]

I am trying to raise chickens for the first time in Wichita, Kansas. I have six, five week old bantams from TSC that are straight run. So far, I think I may have two roosters. Not completely sure as I am a total newbie. So, is there anybody close by that would want bantam roosters if my suspicions are confirmed? I feel like I need a connection to the "chicken underground".