Consolidated Kansas

Wow! You guys have been chatty today!

HE Chicken-The only reason you would need skids under your structure is if you plan to move it around. I don't know how big your slab is, or how big your coop is going to be, but you can anchor it in a number of ways. Yes, the bottom of the structure, wherever it touches the cement should be treated. If you had the masonry skills and the inclination you could even put in a row of cement block to lift the structure off the cement. Yoiu really wouldn't have to cut the cement to set your poles. You never know what you are going to get into under an existing slab. A simpler way would be to just use concrete anchors. They are pretty easy to use. You need to follow directions and have a good hammerdrill to make the holes, and a 3/8" concrete drill bit.

If your bottom plate is a 2x4, you would use 3/8" x 3 3/4" wedge anchors such as those made by "Red Head." Drill your hole through the 2x4 and into the concrete following the instructions supplied with the anchors. Pound your anchor in with a hammer and then tighten with a wrench. It's really not complicated at all and it goes pretty fast and it makes the wall tight and secure.

Hawkey- I agree with Danz. Get some of those bourbon red eggs and hatch them. Bourbon reds are pretty. They are like the red version of the Royal palm.

As far as those dogs go I know what I would do. It would just take one time of that dog going after my chickens or goats or something. Folks are right about that. You have the right to protect your livestock. Like you said, no one would probably pay attention to that gunshot.

Not that you are going to do this, or that I recommend this, last I knew it was NOT ILLEGAL to carry a loaded rifle in your vehicle in Kansas. The reason? Farmers and ranchers did this all the time in order to protect their livestock. That livestock is a rancher's livelyhood. If you've got a big bobcat or a pack of coyotes after a calf, you sure as heck aren't going to run home to get a rifle.
 
Hechicken if your building is going to be fairly large you might check into buying manufactured trusses if you want the gambrel roof. There is a truss building factory in Waverly and you can actually buy made and delivered trusses cheaper than you can build them yourself. Of course that is for at least a 24 foot wide building. Just a thought.
I am wanting to build a lean to or loafing shed on my property for my game birds. Just a pole barn structure with no floor. Anyone have an idea who has the best prices and could build it quickly in this area? I'm running out of room to put little sheds and pens. I figured it would be just as well to build one bigger one and have pens built on it.
 
I've already called Animal Control (in the past) and talked to them about our situation. The other neighbors are just as upset, btw. There is a guy down the road that brings up his cows that are calving to the pasture right behind his house. Those dogs go over there and chase around the babies. He's threatened the guy with the mean dogs that he'll shoot his dogs if they go after his cows. But it's never happened. I see those dogs in his pasture in the mornings and they are just snooping around and doing who-knows-what. He has chickens, too. He has a heck of a lot more chickens than I do. He built a solid enclosure with a top so nothing could get his birds. Anyway-- back to Animal Control, they told me that they can not enforce the city's "leash law" out here because we are rural and Unincorporated out here. We have no police, fire, etc... The only call Animal Control can respond to, is if the dogs bit someone or if the dogs were skinny and malnourished or if it was a stray.


He doesn't have to enforce the leash law. He has to enforce state law. Here's a useful FAQ: http://resources.lawinfo.com/en/Legal-FAQs/pet-law/kansas/index.html Check out the bit about dangerous dogs and/or killing chickens. Hope this helps--just because he's a greenie doesn't mean he's got the right to let his dogs roam free.
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ChickenDanz- go see the M.D ! Can't smell the catbox, YEP that bad.
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Hawkeye - Get on those eggs like a turkey on a june bug, honey! You won't regret it! I love ours, and they do extremely well in our state.
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HA!! Well I'm sure your neighbors appreciate the fact that you don't have loose dogs that come over and try to kill their birds.
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Do you have solar panels? We've been talking about it for years. The price has finally come down enough that they are getting a lot more affordable. The neighbor I was telling you about-- his batteries are taller than I am! They are HUGE! I don't know where he got those things.

no solar panels YET, but our house is built for passive solar heating, and we have cold frames and the hoophouses. For right now, I'm concentrating on building up my soil using my chicken addiction, LOL. Solar is going to be hubby's department!
 
Danz-We have used "Rusty Barn" company twice now. They built our shop and they built our last barn that we built to replace the old one that blew down in a windstorm. Mike did a lot of pricing, and Rusty Barn was by far the cheapest. Just call him and tell him your specification and he will get a quote to you. If you decide to use him, it may take him a little while until he is working in your area, but once he gets to it he will have it done in a day or two. It's amazing to watch him and his crew. It is very organized. When he built our shop, 40' x 80' he had it done in 3 days, and our new barn is 24 x 48 and he had it done in 2 days!
 
no solar panels YET, but our house is built for passive solar heating, and we have cold frames and the hoophouses. For right now, I'm concentrating on building up my soil using my chicken addiction, LOL. Solar is going to be hubby's department!


Wow! Sounds like you are pretty close to getting off the grid. We recently met a guy who lived completely off the grid. No outside power sources. He generated all his electricity with solar and wind power. He had a very unique system for water and sewer, but I couldn't begin to tell you how it worked. He lived in a "straw bale" house that required little, maybe no heating and air conditioning. He also raised livestock on the place and had auto waterers that worked without power. I was pretty impressed.

We are looking at moving sometime in the next year, and energy efficiciency and supply is going to be one of the things we give serious consideration to. I think it is going to be VERY hard to find a place that is pretty much "ready to go" that meets all of our requirements... great hunting and fishing, energy efficiency, room for chickens and other livestock, garden area, orchard, and close enough to were I will be working so that I won't have to drive a bazillion miles a year.
 
Don't stop looking, Ivy! You'll find the perfect place! I don't think we'll ever be completely off the grid, but the previous owners did set this place up to be mostly self sustainable. Our major heat source is wood. (You can see our furnace at my blog, address below--look for the post "got wood?") There's some hunting out here, but we're about 5 miles from a reservoir, so fishing is great too. I'm still trying to talk my hubby into letting me build a straw bale master bedroom addition onto our house :)
 
I wish we were a little more off the gird. Ask DH about wood heat "no, too dangerous" (I was raised with it)
Ask DH about going solar, and "no, too expensive" (showed him it pays for itself in under 10 years, usually)
Ask DH about selling the big place and moving to something reasonable and newer with more land for goats.....well, I'm still here.

Happy for you guys! Keep it up.
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I spent nearly two hours washing eggs and I didn't even pick them up today yet. The birds are cranking them out. Unfortunately since it is wet they are also very muddy. I think those hens run through the mud first before the come in to lay on purpose.
I called the doctor's office and he wasn't in today but I have an appointment first thing in the morning. The way things go for me; in the morning I will be all better. I figure I can't loose that way.
I went out to feed and water and it started raining as soon as I got to the feed barrels. So I had to do it in the rain.
I thought we were about over the colds but I saw a new rooster who is all infected while I was out there. Will it ever end? He's nothing special but I sure don't want these colds to start up again in the flock.
I ran out of room in the incubator. I had to early candle some eggs to make room for all I had. And then I had one I thought had died but when I threw it out it still had a live chick in it. I felt like a murderer! So a couple more I questioned got to stay.
I guess I'm going to have to fire up a second bater cause while I was out feeding I picked up another handful of duck eggs. I don't have any more due to come out for another 5 days. I hate to hold eggs that long.
I've had solar panels before and used them to heat water. It was great other than the room the water container took. The last time I was in OKC I noticed they had taken the panels off the roof. What a waste! We spent about $10,000 on that system and that was in the mid 80's.I'd love to put in a windmill. ByNatureFarms lent me some plans to build one but of course it is a project that is on the back burner.
BTW Where is ByNatureFarms? I haven't seen him on here in months.
Anyway I have no plans to go off the grid but would like to become more self sufficient and at least produce some of my own electricity someday. I would be perfectly content to grow a lot of my own food and provide my own energy. I plan to use well water to water my stock when I get more electrical wiring completed (If it rains more than it did the past year.) I would also like to change my drains to use gray water, at least from my laundry to water my flower gardens. I haven't studied that enough to know what to do with it during the times when the ground is already saturated.
I've got to go bake a cake. I promised DH I would and I have yet to start.
 

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