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Thanks for the info Danz. My dh said I can go ahead and keep hatching since I was only planning on taking a short break. They've prepared more brooders in teh brooder room already. The only issue will be building outdoor pens as soon as the weather breaks so they can go outside. BTW, the little barred rocks are doing beautifully and are beautiful. I love their temperment, they're quiet and smart. The kids are loving the kitchen, it's a little bigger than the ones you buy and definitely sturdier. This cabinet we found was really perfect for the job, the top is formica. I'll be sure to get you back those faucets so you can make one too. I just told me dh to put them in his truck since he's going to Emporia today. I hope we can set up an exchange tomorrow late morning if you are available. I'm so sorry about all of the losses, it's just terrible. I'm reading and following along with what you're writing. I don't know what upside down birds are. In people, the b vitamins work together and one isn't good without the others so to speak. They need each other to work. Also, I'm pretty sure they are water soluable and if you give too much b vitamins they just flush through. I wouldn't be concerned with having the others too. Of course, food sources are always the best sources. Lentils are okay for chickens? I remember reading about soybeans need to be cooked because of some sort of toxin??? Are there others that are an absolute no for them? Talking about feeding chicks though. When we put the chicks into something smaller to clean their brooders and there is always tons of poop in the little tub but what I find interesting is that it comes out looking just like the feed when it went in. They're not digesting it and if it's coming straight through them like that they're eating more too. I had some grits that needed to be used and I was feeding that to the chicks in the house as treats to get rid of it. They gobbled it up but I also noticed that the amout of poop was greatly reduced. I don't know what to think but I can't help but think that the feed is not ideal and not providing what they need. What about grinding some of your feed mix for your older birds. They have food mills for grinding wheat and such. I have a huge bucket of corn meal that was given to us by someone who was storing food for emergencies. I'm sure it's fine to eat but it's a 5 gallon bucket. I'm giving that to the chicks now.

HEChicken, we were just talking about acclimation here. We were telling the kids to take their long johns off while in the house or else they will not feel warm when they wear them outside. We are going to try the hunting again in this brutally cold weather. If we wear coveralls and coats, insulated boots and gloves, hats, layered clothing we should be fine, right? I told my ds I thought we should bring the sleeping bags to get into while in the blind too. Is this doable?
Hawkeye, I can't believe you are cleaning like that and working so hard after being so sick. You're one tough cookie. UGH!!! I'm sorry it caught up with you. Rest up so you don't miss out on the New Years Eve fun. I'm not doing anything, we don't ever though.

medawinks, incubating is terribly addicting so look out! I always buy my essential oils online.

Maidenwolf, maybe the FF breaks it down enough that they can absorb more. I haven't had any trouble with the chickens eating it, I was afraid to give it to the chicks, I don't want to make them drunk or something. In the incubator, I have to keep 3 sponges soaked to keep the humidity where it needs to be. In the cooler incubator/hatcher I had a much harder time keeping it up. I had the temp balanced with the top cracked open so I could peek inside which I'm sure made it lose more humidity. Also, it's just a bigger area. In the incubator the right humidity shows a small amount of condensation on the window. I would add more water than you think in several places, I've been raising the humiditity gradually the few days before lockdown.

I had some 5ish weekers in the brooder room and a few days ago I turned off their heat lamp. They were way too crowded in there and my dh was determined that they could be moved outside. I didn't want to do it yet because of the cold but their pen was too small for them and it was seeming a bit mean so I let him do it. They are in the nugget pen, a small pen with a top and a little house. There is a light in the house and a heat lamp in the outside part. The plan is to leave both lights on for a week or so, then we will turn off just the ouside light first and in another week turn off the inside light if they seem well. Last night we went out and they were all laying under the outside light. We put them back into their house but they came right back out and went back under the light so we left them. They seem fine, they are fully feathered and they are as big as the ones that are a month older which has me confused. Maybe I'm off on their age, I get mixed up because there are so many. I just can't be that off though, all of the ones left in the brooder room now are the ones I hatched about 2 weeks ago and the ones Imafarmer hatched that should be about 3 weeks old. So we rotated all of the chicks. The 3 weekers moved into the pen that the 5 weekers were in with the same set up, same heat lamp and everything. The 5 weekers are a bigger group, but the 3 weekers there are only 6. Anyway, the 3 weekers were panting and acting too hot. I don't get it at all. How were the older ones not too hot in there? I checked them myself, they acted fine. I changed the bulb for them and they seem fine now but I was just really surprised. I don't know what could be different.

Another thing I wanted to ask about that is just a curious kind of thing. This morning I was watching the orpingtons through my window. There are the 5 pullets which should be ready to lay in about a month and the 1 lavender orp roo. A few days ago we put the EEs in there, there are 11 of them. They still have plenty of room and I figured I'd be able to tell the eggs apart anyway. I didn't want to do that either but it solved a space issue for now so we could rotate them all around. There is one buff orp pullet that is soooo bossy, she keep chasing them into the coop. It's comical to watch but I do wonder how long it will go on. This morning the grown up roosters let themselves out and were walking their direction and the pullet chased them all into the coop including the other buff orps and the lavender roo. She is so in charge in that coop.

My FF hasn't been overly messy either but I'm not pouring it out of the bucket inside either. We are making it runny when we mix it but the feed swells and soaks up the water and it ends up pasty and thick and we could easily scoop it. I'm only using one bucket and we take it outside to feed and bring it back in. We aren't feeding the fermented every day though either. Also I'm fermenting with extra bread starter not ACV. I make the chicks a mash and the first few times I give it to them they're always reluctant but then once they figure out it's yummy they learn quickly, now they run for it. Maybe it just takes a little bit of time for the chicks to realize it's good stuff. Danz, do you think that the FF is acidic enough to eat through the galvanized? I didn't think about that, but we aren't putting it in galvanized. It's a good think that you had that moment though, you must have somehow known that the breaker had tripped. The expenses are never ending aren't they. There is always something. Hey, the boys and I have been toying with the idea of making one of my kitchen cabinets into a proofer for my bread. It's always all over the counters in one stage or another and it would be so nice to have some place warmer to let it rise in perfect condiitons. Of course making the cooler incubator/hatcher really showed us how easy it is. We were joking that it could be a proofer/incubator/yogurt maker all in one. Anyway, we can't beause we would have to remove the middle part of the cabinet between the doors and that board is necessary for support. But would you have a cabinet outside that you could run another light bulb or heat lamp in? It doesn't take much to heat a smallish space.
 
Thanks for the info Danz. My dh said I can go ahead and keep hatching since I was only planning on taking a short break. They've prepared more brooders in teh brooder room already. The only issue will be building outdoor pens as soon as the weather breaks so they can go outside. BTW, the little barred rocks are doing beautifully and are beautiful. I love their temperment, they're quiet and smart. The kids are loving the kitchen, it's a little bigger than the ones you buy and definitely sturdier. This cabinet we found was really perfect for the job, the top is formica. I'll be sure to get you back those faucets so you can make one too. I just told me dh to put them in his truck since he's going to Emporia today. I hope we can set up an exchange tomorrow late morning if you are available. I'm so sorry about all of the losses, it's just terrible. I'm reading and following along with what you're writing. I don't know what upside down birds are. In people, the b vitamins work together and one isn't good without the others so to speak. They need each other to work. Also, I'm pretty sure they are water soluable and if you give too much b vitamins they just flush through. I wouldn't be concerned with having the others too. Of course, food sources are always the best sources. Lentils are okay for chickens? I remember reading about soybeans need to be cooked because of some sort of toxin??? Are there others that are an absolute no for them? Talking about feeding chicks though. When we put the chicks into something smaller to clean their brooders and there is always tons of poop in the little tub but what I find interesting is that it comes out looking just like the feed when it went in. They're not digesting it and if it's coming straight through them like that they're eating more too. I had some grits that needed to be used and I was feeding that to the chicks in the house as treats to get rid of it. They gobbled it up but I also noticed that the amout of poop was greatly reduced. I don't know what to think but I can't help but think that the feed is not ideal and not providing what they need. What about grinding some of your feed mix for your older birds. They have food mills for grinding wheat and such. I have a huge bucket of corn meal that was given to us by someone who was storing food for emergencies. I'm sure it's fine to eat but it's a 5 gallon bucket. I'm giving that to the chicks now.

HEChicken, we were just talking about acclimation here. We were telling the kids to take their long johns off while in the house or else they will not feel warm when they wear them outside. We are going to try the hunting again in this brutally cold weather. If we wear coveralls and coats, insulated boots and gloves, hats, layered clothing we should be fine, right? I told my ds I thought we should bring the sleeping bags to get into while in the blind too. Is this doable?
Hawkeye, I can't believe you are cleaning like that and working so hard after being so sick. You're one tough cookie. UGH!!! I'm sorry it caught up with you. Rest up so you don't miss out on the New Years Eve fun. I'm not doing anything, we don't ever though.

medawinks, incubating is terribly addicting so look out! I always buy my essential oils online.

Maidenwolf, maybe the FF breaks it down enough that they can absorb more. I haven't had any trouble with the chickens eating it, I was afraid to give it to the chicks, I don't want to make them drunk or something. In the incubator, I have to keep 3 sponges soaked to keep the humidity where it needs to be. In the cooler incubator/hatcher I had a much harder time keeping it up. I had the temp balanced with the top cracked open so I could peek inside which I'm sure made it lose more humidity. Also, it's just a bigger area. In the incubator the right humidity shows a small amount of condensation on the window. I would add more water than you think in several places, I've been raising the humiditity gradually the few days before lockdown.

I had some 5ish weekers in the brooder room and a few days ago I turned off their heat lamp. They were way too crowded in there and my dh was determined that they could be moved outside. I didn't want to do it yet because of the cold but their pen was too small for them and it was seeming a bit mean so I let him do it. They are in the nugget pen, a small pen with a top and a little house. There is a light in the house and a heat lamp in the outside part. The plan is to leave both lights on for a week or so, then we will turn off just the ouside light first and in another week turn off the inside light if they seem well. Last night we went out and they were all laying under the outside light. We put them back into their house but they came right back out and went back under the light so we left them. They seem fine, they are fully feathered and they are as big as the ones that are a month older which has me confused. Maybe I'm off on their age, I get mixed up because there are so many. I just can't be that off though, all of the ones left in the brooder room now are the ones I hatched about 2 weeks ago and the ones Imafarmer hatched that should be about 3 weeks old. So we rotated all of the chicks. The 3 weekers moved into the pen that the 5 weekers were in with the same set up, same heat lamp and everything. The 5 weekers are a bigger group, but the 3 weekers there are only 6. Anyway, the 3 weekers were panting and acting too hot. I don't get it at all. How were the older ones not too hot in there? I checked them myself, they acted fine. I changed the bulb for them and they seem fine now but I was just really surprised. I don't know what could be different.

Another thing I wanted to ask about that is just a curious kind of thing. This morning I was watching the orpingtons through my window. There are the 5 pullets which should be ready to lay in about a month and the 1 lavender orp roo. A few days ago we put the EEs in there, there are 11 of them. They still have plenty of room and I figured I'd be able to tell the eggs apart anyway. I didn't want to do that either but it solved a space issue for now so we could rotate them all around. There is one buff orp pullet that is soooo bossy, she keep chasing them into the coop. It's comical to watch but I do wonder how long it will go on. This morning the grown up roosters let themselves out and were walking their direction and the pullet chased them all into the coop including the other buff orps and the lavender roo. She is so in charge in that coop.

My FF hasn't been overly messy either but I'm not pouring it out of the bucket inside either. We are making it runny when we mix it but the feed swells and soaks up the water and it ends up pasty and thick and we could easily scoop it. I'm only using one bucket and we take it outside to feed and bring it back in. We aren't feeding the fermented every day though either. Also I'm fermenting with extra bread starter not ACV. I make the chicks a mash and the first few times I give it to them they're always reluctant but then once they figure out it's yummy they learn quickly, now they run for it. Maybe it just takes a little bit of time for the chicks to realize it's good stuff. Danz, do you think that the FF is acidic enough to eat through the galvanized? I didn't think about that, but we aren't putting it in galvanized. It's a good think that you had that moment though, you must have somehow known that the breaker had tripped. The expenses are never ending aren't they. There is always something. Hey, the boys and I have been toying with the idea of making one of my kitchen cabinets into a proofer for my bread. It's always all over the counters in one stage or another and it would be so nice to have some place warmer to let it rise in perfect condiitons. Of course making the cooler incubator/hatcher really showed us how easy it is. We were joking that it could be a proofer/incubator/yogurt maker all in one. Anyway, we can't beause we would have to remove the middle part of the cabinet between the doors and that board is necessary for support. But would you have a cabinet outside that you could run another light bulb or heat lamp in? It doesn't take much to heat a smallish space.
Ok so there should be condensation on the window? I dont measure humidity I only have a temp gauge. I will add a pan and put a couple rags in a couple inches of water at lock down., Is there an issue of too much humidity? Should I also raise temp?
 
Hi all! I am like 900 posts behind so sorry for jumping back in but I can't do that many multis! Hope everyone had a fabulous holiday. We had a great time and barely wanted to come home to Kansas. It was a lot of fun to see family and friends and we need to make more trips back east in the future. We waited way too long. The pregnant belly was an enormous hit with both sides of the family. Was super nice to have so many excited for a new baby!
On the Ivermectin, the original page I read said you do NOT need to redose are 10-14 days like you do with other wormers. However it also said there is no egg withdrawal needed and Josie pointed out why that was bad advice so now I'm not sure how much of what that original woman said about it, to trust, you know? I mean, she was right about it being a great treatment for worms (I was seeing roundworms expelled in the poop of chickens prior to treatment and haven't seen a single one since, plus Ned was fading so fast and perked up immediately after the treatment), but I'm not sure how much she really understood about what she was doing. I did not do a second dose and as I said, haven't seen any signs they still have worms but....will admit I've been wondering whether I should do it proactively again sometime soon. Since it is supposed to stay in the water for 2-3 days, what worked for me before was to fill up my big 5-gallon waterer and when it was empty they were done. So I think I'll wait until we have several nights that are not going to be freezing and then do it, since I don't know what freezing would do to the Ivermectin.
You are correct, you shouldn't need to re dose. If you wanted to be sure you caught any re infection you could re dose in two weeks if you wanted to be extra careful. I need to do my birds this week.

I wonder how much of the silkies ability to tolerate cold stems from acclimatization. I.e., if they are used to having a heat lamp, they will feel cold if they don't have one but if they have acclimatized to NOT having it, they won't notice its absence? Our dogs live outside since we moved to the new place, but were indoor dogs at the old place. They have been outside since June so had several months to gradually get used to the colder weather. Since they are never indoors, they have grown nice thick coats, and really never seem cold outside. However if we had kept them indoors until last week and then suddenly expected them to go and live outside, they'd be miserable and freezing after being used to much warmer temps.
I wonder if this isn't part of the problem. I have serama outside and it is taboo to leave these tiny birds out in the winter but they have done really well. I have had no trouble with them freezing to death and they have no heat lamp and only a plywood coop. They are out most of the day scratching around but they are always out so they have acclimated to the cold as best you can when it is such dramatic weather changes.

I my try the Thieves first since maybe it will help keep my youngest well this month before her next scheduled surgery.
Oh, and is it possible for a rooster to learn not to crow? I had been bringing our Silkie rooster inside early in the am before he would crow. Now... He has stopped! He seems healthy. Could he have figured out that was why he was being separated? I didn't believe that was possible.....
I have read that if you keep a roo in quiet place when he is most inclined to crow you can actually teach them not to. Some people have had good success keeping roos in urban areas by teaching them not to crow, especially not at offensive times like super early in the morning.

SHeesh, I had a good day yesterday and today back to being sick again! Ugh!
Hope you feel better!

ANyway, SunflowerParrot--- It's not sounding like a 'possum at this point. I would agree it's a hawk or some thing else. A hawk would seem more likely. I had a hawk attack my turkey and she got really bad wounds in her back. Did you notice if there was any tearing/ripping on the back?
Sounds like bird of prey or fox. I have had fox attacks during the day.
Trish, sounds like a fun time up to KC and back down with chicken pick ups! I understand the excitement! I'm not into any of those birds, but had she been a well known silkie breeder, I'd have been in 7th heaven! LOL Because of my hen that died, I'm now on the look out for another really nice black breeder/show quality pullet/hen. Sigh. The thing is, everyone is selling black birds, but they have really lousy breeding behind them. Most people have them come out of Paint, Lavender or BBS pens-- which is bad for what I'm wanting, which is a true black X black. I'm going to have to be really picky and eventually pay a lot of money for one when I find it. Le Double Sigh.

But I still brought a couple of my roosters in a few days back when it was too cold and they were showing signs of freezing their feet off. Oh that reminds me!! I got stacking cages for Christmas!!! There are 3 cages stacked and I can put them in my kitchen or dining room when I am washing birds and need them to stay inside while they finish drying and blown out. Now I just need a stand for my dryer! I'm really excited about my new stacking cages! Ohhh! How exciting!!
 
Mammahen I love that kitchen. After seeing these pictures I am going to have to go out to my barn and see if one of the old cabinets I took out of this house would work. I have some formica scraps as well. I could stock up on play food and stuff from the $1 shop so the girls could play with it as well. Awesome ideas you have there. What did you use for the burners? Is that a fan grid? I'm so happy you like that barred rocks. They are really nice birds.
My youngest son texted me yesterday and asked me to make a princess dress for my granddaughter. I haven't really sewn much in years although I used to do it all the time.
I ordered a pattern off Ebay cause it made it about half price. I got so I would sew without a pattern but it will be easier to do this way since she isn't close enough to fit to. She is three and really into the princess thing. We are getting together with them this coming weekend but I doubt the pattern will even be here by then. I hope I have enough scrap fabric around here to make something without having to go buy some.
Mammahen if you want me to meet your DH just PM me the details. As long as it isn't snowing or slick I should be able to meet him. Is he going to take Maidenwolfs birds as well?
 
I wonder if this isn't part of the problem. I have serama outside and it is taboo to leave these tiny birds out in the winter but they have done really well. I have had no trouble with them freezing to death and they have no heat lamp and only a plywood coop. They are out most of the day scratching around but they are always out so they have acclimated to the cold as best you can when it is such dramatic weather changes.
Oh goodness, I didn't know Seramas are delicate. Those two I got from you are just in with my main flock and like the silkies, they are doing great! I've never seen either of them look the slightest bit miserable and love their coping skills for getting along in a LF flock. The gutter feeder I installed is installed at the height of the LF backs. The silchins can reach in by standing on their tippy toes, but the seramas wouldn't have a hope of doing that, so they just hop up and stand right IN the gutter to eat.

My youngest son texted me yesterday and asked me to make a princess dress for my granddaughter. I haven't really sewn much in years although I used to do it all the time.
I ordered a pattern off Ebay cause it made it about half price. I got so I would sew without a pattern but it will be easier to do this way since she isn't close enough to fit to. She is three and really into the princess thing. We are getting together with them this coming weekend but I doubt the pattern will even be here by then. I hope I have enough scrap fabric around here to make something without having to go buy some.
Oh how fun! I used to love to sew when my kids were little - haven't done it in years. I even brought my sewing machine over with me when I moved here from Australia but I finally got rid of it when we moved this year. It hadn't worked in awhile and I figured if or when I get back into sewing in the future I can probably get one that does more, for less than they used to be.

Hawkeye, sorry you are feeling bad again today - I hope you get to feeling better soon.
 
OK, I know I missed a lot since I was gone for vacation & now through the holidays twice. What is the FF you're all talking about? What is it for & what are the benefits of it?

I went out & was working outside for a couple of hours, came in to have a cup of coffee & rest a bit then I'll go back out. I just noticed I have some birds with leg mites in my main coop. I have some Adams spray coming, I have read it is good for that, but it hasn't gotten here yet. I went out & turned over the litter in the main coop to dry it out some. I'm wondering if I should try to clean some of it out & put new in. I hadn't planned to do that yet until spring & then I was going to do a complete clean out & start over with the DLM. I'm thinking maybe if I just keep turning it over & letting it dry out it will be OK. It just gets compressed down & then doesn't dry out completely. I also did the same to the grow-out pen.

When I was out in the grow-out pen I looked into the igloo dog house in there & discovered that I had about 12 pullet eggs in there. I'm thinking most of them are from the Salmon Faverolles since they're about the oldest, but I could have some Swedish Flower Hens starting to lay too. I dug all the eggs out of the dog house & fed them to the dogs since I have no idea how old they are. Then I put a nest box in for the hens. The one Salmon Faverolle hen immediately went in there & started arranging the straw the way she wanted it. I had to wire the box to the pen fence because the silly roosters kept turning it over & the hen got really mad at them.

Well I have to finish my coffee & get back out there. I hope you all have a good day, Hawkeye I hope you feel better soon. Danz, tell Eileen the little pullets are doing fine. She really has some nice birds.
 
Trish, FF is fermented feed. There is a long thread on it on the meat bird forum and Karen also educated us - probably while you were on vacation - on how it is working for her. I did it for a few weeks but in the end decided to wait until spring to do it properly.

I don't know how it works with the type of bedding you are using, but one thing I have found to be effective in my coop is to scatter some scratch or corn on top of the bedding every few days. The birds go after it and end up digging through the bedding looking for any that feel through, and they do a very good job of turning over the bedding for me. Plus, it keeps them from getting bored on the days it is too cold, windy or wet to be outside as much.
 
We're saving food boxes and going to glue them shut for play too and I give them dry foods like marshmallows or crackers to play with too. It's a lot of fun. I can sew without a pattern too but it is so much more convenient to have a place to start. Have you seen those tutu everyone is making? That may be something you can get done in an evening for her and it doesn't require a pattern at all.

Okay, so I don't know what hit just now but somehow I'm panting in exhaustion, I'm about 16ish chickens short and I have $80 in my pocket. Yay! Some strangers pulled up in the driveway, I have no idea who they are and I had no idea they were coming. One ds went to grab a gun incase they were meanie crazy people but they weren't. They barely spoke English and it was really hard to understand them. I feel like I gave them a good deal, and I was thinking about getting rid of some of the older hens anyway. Now I'm short on layers that weren't laying so great anyway. They took half roosters too. I don't even know for sure how many they took. Surely they're just going to eat them. I'm still stunned from the event, and my kids haven't even had lunch yet. I need to get busy.
 
Thanks HEChicken, I have been doing some reading on the FF & it sounds like something I would like to try. Do you all use the ACV in it? I will have to get the ACV first before I can do it, but I would like to give it a try. I have birds molting right now, crazy birds, so if that would help them get through that easier & better I would be glad to try it. I read that some people said their birds feathers are really shiny & healthy looking after feeding it. It's worth a try if it would help my birds be healthier. I know fermented foods for people are supposed to be healthy too, so why wouldn't it be healthy for birds & animals too?

I saw the last chicken that Sunflowerparrot lost to a predator today & am thinking more hawk now after we looked her over. There were puncture marks on her back like maybe talons & the head was eaten pretty much off at the back & it was gutted. I think she may have scared the bird off before it came back to finish it off since the breast meat was still intact. I did send my live trap home with her though just in case she could have a possum too, it can't hurt to make sure.

Well I need to get back out & feed everybody & get them all in for the night, have a good night everyone.
 

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